What should be in our top 22 come finals

[swansrule100]

but if its only 5 minutes a quarter its maybe better to look at developing another player who can play elsewhere and just ruck to fill in??

im happy to keep doyle in...i just think he needs to lift more apart from hit outs where he is ok, just his general skill around the ground hes kind of lanky and useless sometimes

[penga]

Originally posted by Charlie
I'm a fan, and no doubt Penga is scratching his head at how quick I was converted - he's simply not that crucial to the team.

come finals though he would be more useful than ablett or mcveigh IMO, as a midfielder mind you

[penga]

Originally posted by swansrule100
i just think he needs to lift more apart from hit outs where he is ok, just his general skill around the ground hes kind of lanky and useless sometimes

we need an effective ruckman in the centre at all times, where doyle wins more of the tapouts when in the contest than what ball does, when taking into account the amount of ruck contest each of them participated in

ball's HO stats on the weekend was an outlier, whereas doyle is steadily producing better results in the centre

it matters most to win the ball in the centre, where doyle provides the best contest when comparing him to ball, who cares if he might miss a few targets when on the wing, when he may get a tapout to advantage where a clean takeaway takes place during that same quarter...

an aerobically fit doyle is a lot more damaging than ball, who mind you has the yips with his kicking anyways

[swansrule100]

Yeh but the swans seldom win the ball out of the middle anyway wether thats the ruckman or the midfielders fault

we always seem to attack from half back...maybe we should replace doyle and ball

[swansrule100]

the only reason i suggest considering dropping doyle is it leaves room for all of fosdike, fixter, buchannan, ablett , james and so on wheres as one or two miss out if doyle stays

[monopoly19]

Originally posted by swansrule100
the only reason i suggest considering dropping doyle is it leaves room for all of fosdike, fixter, buchannan, ablett , james and so on wheres as one or two miss out if doyle stays

But then Doyle misses out!?!? I don't quite understand your reasoning. Are those players you've mentioned above any more effective in their role than Doyle? Maybe, but for most of them no. And is their role more significant than Doyle's? NO! You can't leave Ball to ruck by himself!

[swansrule100]

my reasoning is this

Doyle seems to ruck for about 5 minutes a quarter but rarely plays elsewhere

therefore if we have others who will play more game time id select them ahead of him.

If doyle is going to get to ruck more often then he should stay.

Also it is just a suggestion im not gonna complain if doyle stays in, just if im trying to squeeze others in i consider it an option.

[monopoly19]

Originally posted by swansrule100
my reasoning is this

Doyle seems to ruck for about 5 minutes a quarter but rarely plays elsewhere

therefore if we have others who will play more game time id select them ahead of him.

If doyle is going to get to ruck more often then he should stay.

Also it is just a suggestion im not gonna complain if doyle stays in, just if im trying to squeeze others in i consider it an option.

But 5 mins of Doyle rucking is that much more effective than having an extra outside midfielder running around getting no possessions. It's not neccessarily game time, it's overall effectiveness. If that 5 mins gives Ball a rest and allows him to come back stronger in the next quarter, then you've got to look past simple things such as game time. And, he's not just in there as a back-up for Ball, he gets quite a few HO's hiimself, and sometimes they go to advantage and sometimes they don't (like most ruckmen). Stick him in the goal square and he ain't too bad either.

[midaro]

Originally posted by swansrule100
Doyle seems to ruck for about 5 minutes a quarter but rarely plays elsewhere

This isn't unusual - many teams in the league do it. It's simply to give the first ruck a break, so he is fresh when he is needed.

This in itself is very valuable.

Doyle used to play forward quite a bit, IMO this will start to happen again as he gets back into the swing of things. You've got to understand that Doyle has an injury history only matched by Heath James

[swansrule100]

well doyle should play forward more or even ball play there and let doyle ruck

why cant a ruckman ruck all day anymore??? some do and barry round says they should :P

well i must admit i am swayed by ur arguements....

i still maintain doyle could be used more at least and improve a lot.

[swansrule100]

and other teams seem to have more felxibility with their ruckman... everitt and white can go forward when they dont ruck and so on... ball and doyle both seem to be ineffective elsewhere of late

ball used to be a good goal kicker

[footyhead]

Originally posted by swansrule100
well doyle should play forward more or even ball play there and let doyle ruck

why cant a ruckman ruck all day anymore??? some do and barry round says they should :P

They can it is just that when they do they get beaten by the opposition ruckmen who are given a rest .
18 players could play the whole game, but they get more tired and tend to loose their run (and jump)at the end of the game.

[bigswan]

Who should be in our side come finals time. D

Doyle is a definite. He is improving all the time. We must have 2 ruckmen. Fosdike and Fixter have to be in. Fosdike is close to being a classy midfielder if he can improve his delivery. Has super endurance. Fixter is so tough. He just needs game time. Buchanan is stiff but will miss out. Also stiff is James but he will have another chance next year after a summer on the weights. LRT and Powell need a good season next year. McVeigh's time will come next year.

[stellation]

I am not going to bother as I have pretty much just given up on guessing what goes on in Roosy mind when it comes to selections.

I'd like to see McVeigh stay in.

[BAM_BAM]

In reply to your comments swansrule100 about Doyle only playing 5 minutes here and there. I think you'll find that was dictated by the Crows coaching. When matching up on the more athletic Clarke he was found wanting, so when Clarke was playing on the ball Jason Ball had to go with him. Doyle can move very fluently for a big man. Give a few more games to get going and you'll see this. There are good things to come from him.