Key Defender

[Diego]

Originally posted by robbieando
We were all fearing 2003 when Dunkley and Kelly retired and we did better than expected

With Ball you never know, Doyle might just finally stand up and become the ruckman we all thought he would become. Yes his current form isn't good and I'm worried too with the thought of Ball retiring at seasons end, but lets not throw the Baby out with the Bath water just yet. Give Doyle next season to prove himself, then think about his future just not yet.

I like to think so too and give him a chance but it seems everytime he comes on he provides more for the opposing team than he does for us.

Lets hope the senior responsibility gives him a reality check and a boot up the backside. But it doesn't seem he is lazy he tries but doesn't seem good enough.

[swansrule100]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Doyle really was pretty hopeless yesterday. He dropped a couple of marks he should have taken. Longmuir and Sandilands completely beat him around the ground. His ruckwork adds no value. We must have one of the worst ruck combinations in the competition.

doyle makes me want tunbridge and rose back.

balls body is against him and Micklejohn (Sp) wouldnt get a game at my old school

so i agree with you!

[swansrule100]

Originally posted by robbieando
We were all fearing 2003 when Dunkley and Kelly retired and we did better than expected

With Ball you never know, Doyle might just finally stand up and become the ruckman we all thought he would become. Yes his current form isn't good and I'm worried too with the thought of Ball retiring at seasons end, but lets not throw the Baby out with the Bath water just yet. Give Doyle next season to prove himself, then think about his future just not yet.

if doyle does stay and ball goes...need a backup to take over if doyle cant establish himself

[Scottee]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Doyle in the ruck in the last quarter against the Dockers when we started to get the centre clearances and kicked a number in a row?

And wasn't it Ball who came back and the tide turned to the Docker's?

[DST]

Originally posted by Scottee
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Doyle in the ruck in the last quarter against the Dockers when we started to get the centre clearances and kicked a number in a row?

And wasn't it Ball who came back and the tide turned to the Docker's?

Correct Scottee, unfortunately and in much the same way Saddington is viewed Doyle is also. Being so tall sticks out in people's minds whether it be good or bad.

Fact is (and everybody knows it on this board) that Doyle will not be traded or de-listed unless his body can not stand up to playing anymore.

We have no back-up to him at present and their are currently no 2nd or 3rd stringers around in the comp who would make an adequate replacement. Besides a few top liners the comp is light on for expeirenced ruckman at present.

So we all need to shut about Doyle, give him time to string 15 to 25 games together and hope to god that he can play the consistent football that we all know he is capable of.

DST

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Scottee
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Doyle in the ruck in the last quarter against the Dockers when we started to get the centre clearances and kicked a number in a row?

And wasn't it Ball who came back and the tide turned to the Docker's?

I really will need to watch that again as I didn't think Doyle rucked any better than Ball. Doyle had only 2 centre bounce hit outs and no clearances, whereas Ball had 6 hitouts and 2 CB clearances, so I'm not sure exactly how Doyle contributed to us winning the centre clearances.

[daniel f]

Originally posted by robbieando
No they aren't. For starters David Hille is in such high regard at Essendon that they brought back Paul Salmon out of retirement, redrafted Steven Alessio who week earlier they had delisted and last season traded for the offen injuried Matthew Allan. Tell how can Hille be better than Doyle when Essendon think the above players are better options than Hille??

With Loats he is only seen as a back up at Geelong and was traded away by Hawthorn of all team. Plus he has never set the world on fire with his play. If Geelong had better back options for Steven King he wouldn't even get a game. Better than Doyle don't make me laugh.

What a load of crap,i saw a kid ruck in under 10s last week whos a better prospect than Doyle,dont know what your attachment is to him but he is not afl standard.Loats absolutely starred for Box hill before he was let go to geelong.Also what about Laycock couldnt think of anyway to bag me over him?I believe my 4 yr old nephew has more footy nous than your good self,nearly every post ive ever written youve bagged in some way,so to please you mate i will no linger post.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by daniel f
What a load of crap,i saw a kid ruck in under 10s last week whos a better prospect than Doyle

Now that is a load of crap.

dont know what your attachment is to him but he is not afl standard.

No attachment, I just think some people are giving him a hard time because they expect too much from him. He is no world beater but he has shown that he has the talent to be a good ruckman.

Loats absolutely starred for Box hill before he was let go to geelong.

Starred in the VFL, not the AFL - big difference. If he did star for Box Hill why then did Hawthorn let him go??? They sure could do with a handy back up ruckman to allow Everitt to rest.

Also what about Laycock couldnt think of anyway to bag me over him?

No, he looks like a good player but I just doubt Essendon would let him go unless he has little talent. What's the first rule of trading??? Don't trade with Essendon.

I believe my 4 yr old nephew has more footy nous than your good self

and my left pinky has twice the amount of football nous than your good self. Your nephew must therefore be very smart.

nearly every post ive ever written youve bagged in some way

No I haven't, I have just replied to posts of your that I don't agree with and each time I say why I disagree with your point of view. Your entitled to your opinion, as I'am mine - however its not me sooking when someone posts something you don't agree with

so to please you mate i will no linger post.

Please yourself, I really don't care.

[Nico]

Originally posted by daniel f
What a load of crap,i saw a kid ruck in under 10s last week whos a better prospect than Doyle,dont know what your attachment is to him but he is not afl standard.Loats absolutely starred for Box hill before he was let go to geelong.Also what about Laycock couldnt think of anyway to bag me over him?I believe my 4 yr old nephew has more footy nous than your good self,nearly every post ive ever written youve bagged in some way,so to please you mate i will no linger post.

Phew Daniel I think you are stretching the argument a bit here old son. Please name your 4y.o nephew and the Under 10's player so we can track their progress when drafted.

We all have our opinions mate, I too get bagged but it's all water off a duck's back to me. I think it's great that we have a forum like this where we can have differing ideas and take the micky out of each other every now and then. Strewth I have have copped heaps for my thoughts on Jude of late. Someone told me to shut up, shiver...shake.

Keep on posting.

[timthefish]

Originally posted by daniel f
so to please you mate i will no linger post.

now that is regrettable. i happen to disagree with most of what you're saying, but only after your comments made me think about a few issues.
doyle is a tall, tall man. this alone makes him worth persevering with. i think the freo match was one of the best he's played and definitely the best this year.
capable ruckman are extremely rare beasts so you have to be very lucky and quite clever to do well in trades. robbie's right, you should never trade with essendon.
what's the story with stafford? is he still bitter? with the absolute certainty of a revolution down at tigerland is there no chance he might want to come back home? the tigers are going to give away a lot for first-round picks this year.
even though it didn't end well with ricky mott, i believe that the country is awash with 6'6+ men that were un-coordinated fools 3-5 years ago and were never a chance in the draft. scouring the minor leagues may not yield brilliance, but i reckon there's a lot of good ordinary players out there. basketball should be plundered more as well. i think both of these avenues are better than spending quality draft picks on 5-year prospects.

[daniel f]

Originally posted by timthefish
now that is regrettable. i happen to disagree with most of what you're saying, but only after your comments made me think about a few issues.
doyle is a tall, tall man. this alone makes him worth persevering with. i think the freo match was one of the best he's played and definitely the best this year.
capable ruckman are extremely rare beasts so you have to be very lucky and quite clever to do well in trades. robbie's right, you should never trade with essendon.
what's the story with stafford? is he still bitter? with the absolute certainty of a revolution down at tigerland is there no chance he might want to come back home? the tigers are going to give away a lot for first-round picks this year.
even though it didn't end well with ricky mott, i believe that the country is awash with 6'6+ men that were un-coordinated fools 3-5 years ago and were never a chance in the draft. scouring the minor leagues may not yield brilliance, but i reckon there's a lot of good ordinary players out there. basketball should be plundered more as well. i think both of these avenues are better than spending quality draft picks on 5-year prospects.

Yep have concluded im taking things just a bit to serious and i apologise for that.Must say as someone who is long term unemployed,i struggle to come up with memberhip money let alone reserved seating for each game and after pouring my heart and what cash i have in to the club for as long as i can remember it just gets so damn frustrating when year after year theres always another problem\exscuse as to why we arent going to win the big one.I like the Stafford idea and would love to see him back at the club but as someone will probably post i have no idea of what his contract etc is with tigers.Also Brissie seem to have a glut of good tall men would love a Charman\Keating or Mcdonald.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Scottee
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Doyle in the ruck in the last quarter against the Dockers when we started to get the centre clearances and kicked a number in a row?

And wasn't it Ball who came back and the tide turned to the Docker's?

I have watched this again - Doyle had absolutely no influence on the short comeback in the last quarter.

[Barry Schneider]

Originally posted by daniel f
Yep have concluded im taking things just a bit to serious and i apologise for that.Must say as someone who is long term unemployed,i struggle to come up with memberhip money let alone reserved seating for each game and after pouring my heart and what cash i have in to the club for as long as i can remember it just gets so damn frustrating when year after year theres always another problem\exscuse as to why we arent going to win the big one.I like the Stafford idea and would love to see him back at the club but as someone will probably post i have no idea of what his contract etc is with tigers.Also Brissie seem to have a glut of good tall men would love a Charman\Keating or Mcdonald.

And they need them.Keating only plays in finals while the rest are always injured.Poor Brennan had to be put in the ruck for one game and his first ruck contest ended in very sore ribs.
I think Hille is worth looking at.He is mobile and can take a mark in the forward line.His confidence is shot to bits thanks to the recruitment of Allan.
Although the 11th commandment states"though shalt not trade with Essendon" I think Sheedy might be desperate to get some speedier players to the club after his midfield has been shown up this year and people are questioning his reappointment for 3 years.
Doyle's form is reminding me of a patch J Madden had when he lost total confidence in his overhead marking.It is painful to watch.Doyle gets his hands on plenty of pack marks but just can't hold them.He has shown in the past he can take those marks.
As to key defenders would Staker of West Coast be of interest?He played down back against Port and the Weagles seem to have quite a few young big players

[dimelb]

Originally posted by DST


So we all need to shut about Doyle, give him time to string 15 to 25 games together and hope to god that he can play the consistent football that we all know he is capable of.

DST

Agree with this. Have another look at his game against the Kangas earlier this year. He needs to put that sort of play together consistently. To do that he needs time and confidence. Let's give him time and let Roosy give him the confidence.
And I still think LRT is going to be a top tall defender.