Gooders back as the roaming rover

[Rizzo]

How significant was this move?

I also liked Bevan playing in more of an attacking role (discussed under the "Bevan" thread).

[Dave]

Heaps better.

[Barry Schneider]

Re: Gooders back as the roaming rover

Originally posted by Rizzo
How significant was this move?

I also liked Bevan playing in more of an attacking role (dicussed under the Bevan thread).

I don't know if it was that significant as Brisbane had a small forward line with no Brown.There really wasn't a match up for him.But I do like him on the ball and running forward.I liked his roving off Micky when he feigned going for the mark and peeled off knowing that Bris backs almost always punch and scored that good goal.
North have a few big men so I would think Goodes might start back again.

[NMWBloods]

Re: Re: Gooders back as the roaming rover

Originally posted by Barry Schneider
I liked his roving off Micky when he feigned going for the mark

It's about time one of our players was smart enough to do that. Our roving of packs is very mixed. It was great to see - you could really see him watch the ball and I thought he was going to get it before he did!

[swansrule100]

Goodes strives on the freedom to roam around and play his natural game. The backline doesnt give him such luxury. But having said that its a toss up between goodes running free and our lack of tall backs that needs to be considered. Id rather have a smaller backline and play goodes up the ground. If we are going bad he can move back... but i think the best start would be to attack not defend

[floppinab]

Masterstroke from Roos and the coaching team, it wasn't just Goodes, there were plenty of others rotating around the place. even saw Hall at half back for while, something we'll see more of I hope. Brisbane have a pretty settled lineup, I think it really unsettled them to see a few of our blokes rotating back and forward.

[NMWBloods]

I'm not sure if I'd call it a 'masterstroke' - I would have thought putting him back in the ruck around the ground was fairly obvious.

[sharpie]

Goodes is so much better when the opposition has to worry about stopping him, not the other way around.

The other one I liked was Nicksy. What a turn around in the last month. He is playing so well. And he just fits into a half-back flank like he was born there. Keep him there and let Kennelly continue playing further up the ground.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I'm not sure if I'd call it a 'masterstroke' - I would have thought putting him back in the ruck around the ground was fairly obvious.

I think it is more a matter of his fitness. Despite seeming to prop up slightly during one period in the 3rd quarter I think, even Healy noticed his far greater mobility.

I don't like making sweeping statements, but our success this year is reliant on Adam Goodes playing on the ball in a ruck rover position.

With him there I'm just so much more confident about things.

Bring on the homeless Roos!

JF

[cressakel]

Originally posted by swansrule100
Goodes strives on the freedom to roam around and play his natural game. The backline doesnt give him such luxury. But having said that its a toss up between goodes running free and our lack of tall backs that needs to be considered. Id rather have a smaller backline and play goodes up the ground. If we are going bad he can move back... but i think the best start would be to attack not defend

Goodes is not required in the backline, whether he is unfit or fit.

We ended up third last season, with the second best defense, with Goodes not playing in the backline but roaming around the ground, which he did to great effectiveness on Saturday night.

I have been saying for weeks that -

a) Goodes should be moved from the backline, as his lack of mobility and accountability ( see looseness ) is killing the team and the good work of the likes of C.Bolton, Leo " never does a thing wrong " Barry, Kennelly, Schauble, Bevan and Crouch.

b) Goodes best position would be on the wing, where he is not involved in the centre bounce and subsequent quick changes of direction through the uneven bounce of the ball, as he could roam the ground without being tagged or being too accountable for his opponent. In any case, Goodesys 15-20 possessions would be far better than any opposition players 25-30 possessions.

Goodes unsettled the backline when moved there, which was compounded by his knee injuries and lack of mobility.

The backline was never the reason why we didn't fo further in last years finals series, as the midfield was stuffed and consequently carved up by Brisbane in the last quarter of the PF.

Therefore, leave Goodes out of the settled backline led by the fearless, brave, courageous and ACCOUNTABLE Leo Barry.

[stellation]

Originally posted by cressakel
Therefore, leave Goodes out of the settled backline led by the fearless, brave, courageous and ACCOUNTABLE Leo Barry.

Sorry to be pedantic, but Andrew Schauble leads our backline. When he took the ground against the Crows all of the defenders instantly started listening to him as he began barking out orders as if he hadn't missed a game.

[swansrule100]

Originally posted by stellation
Sorry to be pedantic, but Andrew Schauble leads our backline. When he took the ground against the Crows all of the defenders instantly started listening to him as he began barking out orders as if he hadn't missed a game.

lol i wonder if barry and schauble argue at training about whos boss

[cressakel]

Originally posted by swansrule100
lol i wonder if barry and schauble argue at training about whos boss

Leo leads by deeds, not words.

If the voice was the all importance regarding leadership, then Paul Kelly would have been replaced as Captain by the old champion motormouth himself, Daryn Cresswell....

[liz]

Originally posted by cressakel

Goodes unsettled the backline when moved there, which was compounded by his knee injuries and lack of mobility.

Sorry, but I think that is rubbish. When Goodes went back the rest of the defence seemed to grow another leg, just having another larger body back there, with the nous to direct traffic.

With Schauble back he is arguably needed less at the moment, but it has to be good to know that he can be swung back if needs be.

I agree Goodes is not naturally defensive but it is hard to know how much of his lack of accountability has physical causes. I think we'd need to see Goodes play there for a while without two bung knees before assessing whether he could become a good defender. And you have to weigh up the defensive cost of a player peeling off against the offensive benefits. Cornes plays CHB pretty well peeling off his man and relying on his ability to read the play, and is possibly the most important player in the Power outfit this year. Goodes is nowhere near as good at it as Cornes at the moment but that's not to say he couldn't get there.

Personally I'd prefer to see Goodes further up the ground and with less defensive responsibilities but only because I think he causes more headaches for the opposition there. But it's a bit of a moot point at the moment because, wherever he plays, he will not be capable of reproducing last season's form for the rest of this year.

[cressakel]

Originally posted by liz
Sorry, but I think that is rubbish. When Goodes went back the rest of the defence seemed to grow another leg, just having another larger body back there, with the nous to direct traffic.

With Schauble back he is arguably needed less at the moment, but it has to be good to know that he can be swung back if needs be.

I agree Goodes is not naturally defensive but it is hard to know how much of his lack of accountability has physical causes. I think we'd need to see Goodes play there for a while without two bung knees before assessing whether he could become a good defender. And you have to weigh up the defensive cost of a player peeling off against the offensive benefits. Cornes plays CHB pretty well peeling off his man and relying on his ability to read the play, and is possibly the most important player in the Power outfit this year. Goodes is nowhere near as good at it as Cornes at the moment but that's not to say he couldn't get there.

Personally I'd prefer to see Goodes further up the ground and with less defensive responsibilities but only because I think he causes more headaches for the opposition there. But it's a bit of a moot point at the moment because, wherever he plays, he will not be capable of reproducing last season's form for the rest of this year.

Give me a spell.

Goodes has been beaten by forward line duds, and the best as well, this season the calibre of the following -

Karl Norman, Adrian Deluca, Ben Graham, Justin Longmuir, Troy Simmonds, Nathan Bock, Trent Henschell.

He is way too loose and the likes of Leo Barry, Craig Bolton and Andrew Schauble would never lower there colours to the above mentioned list of duds.