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  • dawson
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2003
    • 1007

    Footy Show

    Can you believe the irony of this??

    The Footy Show ran footage of a tape sent to the umpires earlier in the year, trying to demonstrate to them examples of holding the ball.

    Lo and behold, 90% of them were paid against us.

    We just can't win.
  • Dpw
    On the Rookie List
    • Jan 2003
    • 829

    #2
    Re: Footy Show

    Originally posted by dawson
    Can you believe the irony of this??

    The Footy Show ran footage of a tape sent to the umpires earlier in the year, trying to demonstrate to them examples of holding the ball.

    Lo and behold, 90% of them were paid against us.

    We just can't win.
    Thats because we are one of the worst for it, have a look at the likes of JBolton who will dive on top of a ball on the deck and make no attempt of trying to knock it out for crying out loud you think he could pretend to atleast be trying to get it out, Iam not singling him out hes just the first one to come to mind, I think its a Eade thing where the Swans were encourged to dive on it in numbers to kill the ball and make it look like a pack had formed.

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    • dread and might
      Back, strapped and intact
      • Apr 2004
      • 949

      #3
      Re: Re: Footy Show

      Originally posted by Dpw
      Thats because we are one of the worst for it, have a look at the likes of JBolton who will dive on top of a ball on the deck and make no attempt of trying to knock it out for crying out loud you think he could pretend to atleast be trying to get it out, Iam not singling him out hes just the first one to come to mind, I think its a Eade thing where the Swans were encourged to dive on it in numbers to kill the ball and make it look like a pack had formed.
      i do agree but i don't know if we are worse than anyone else... my feeling is we get a few too due to our hard tackling style.
      I wish my weed was EMO so it would cut itself

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      • CureTheSane
        Carpe Noctem
        • Jan 2003
        • 5032

        #4
        Would tend to agree.

        If we are being called for holding the ball, or any other offence, much more than other side, then you'd ahve to look at the training of the players.

        As for what they showed on the footy show, well I was astounded that they are the benchmarks.

        I am surprised we have a flowing game at all with what potentially players can be pinned for...
        The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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        • Thunder Shaker
          Aut vincere aut mori
          • Apr 2004
          • 4203

          #5
          If those ones shown are holding the ball decisions, then why can't we win such decisions more often in our forward line?
          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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          • dawson
            Senior Player
            • Mar 2003
            • 1007

            #6
            The Schneider decision against Port was only the half of it. When Hardwick took the free kick from there he chipped across to Stuart Cochrane.

            From 20 metres out, Tadgh penned him into the boundary line where he just threw the ball away.

            That was not paid holding the ball.

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            • Maureenjenkin
              On the Rookie List
              • Sep 2003
              • 39

              #7
              Re: Footy Show

              Originally posted by dawson
              Can you believe the irony of this??

              The Footy Show ran footage of a tape sent to the umpires earlier in the year, trying to demonstrate to them examples of holding the ball.

              Lo and behold, 90% of them were paid against us.

              We just can't win.


              It was very obvious to me that last week that Paul Roos had instructed the players to hit the ball straight away out whenever they dived on to the ball. It seemed to me that they hit the ball out of the pack more than I have seen by any team in any game this year. Im sure it would have been something they concentrated on at training last week given the umpiring decisions in the week prior. Did anyone notice or is it just me?

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              • NMWBloods
                Taking Refuge!!
                • Jan 2003
                • 15819

                #8
                Schneider's was a little harsh, but he did make no real effort to get rid of the ball. Bolton's seemed like an obvious free kick.

                This is one of the problems I have with our game - we do dive on it a lot, which forces lots of stoppages.

                However, I also think this rule and its interpretation from week to week are terrible. Needs a drastic change.
                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                • liz
                  Veteran
                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 16778

                  #9
                  If the Schneider decision was "correct" then I think the rules committee is pretty much saying a player is not entitled to take possession of the ball unless he is on his feet. In IR you actually aren't allowed to - you have to knock it on. The Schneider decision suggests that you will be given no prior opportunity if you take the ball while on the ground. If he had been on his feet, taken the ball and then tackled as quickly as he was, he would not have been pinged.

                  Did anyone else think that the way McGuire structured that section on TFS was an unfair dig at Colless' outburst? He picked one aspect of the umpiring about which there has been discussion recently, concluded that the umpires were being unfairly criticised over their policing of this particular rule, and then suggested that this was something recent criticisers of the umpires should think about. He named Colless and the Swans specifically.

                  Does anyone in their right minds think that Colless' comments last week had the first thing to do with umpires' interpretations of the HTB issue?+

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                  • dawson
                    Senior Player
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1007

                    #10
                    Originally posted by liz
                    If the Schneider decision was "correct" then I think the rules committee is pretty much saying a player is not entitled to take possession of the ball unless he is on his feet. In IR you actually aren't allowed to - you have to knock it on. The Schneider decision suggests that you will be given no prior opportunity if you take the ball while on the ground. If he had been on his feet, taken the ball and then tackled as quickly as he was, he would not have been pinged.

                    Did anyone else think that the way McGuire structured that section on TFS was an unfair dig at Colless' outburst? He picked one aspect of the umpiring about which there has been discussion recently, concluded that the umpires were being unfairly criticised over their policing of this particular rule, and then suggested that this was something recent criticisers of the umpires should think about. He named Colless and the Swans specifically.

                    Does anyone in their right minds think that Colless' comments last week had the first thing to do with umpires' interpretations of the HTB issue?+
                    Liz,

                    Only someone who has watched every Swans match this year would know what Colless is on about.

                    Terry Wallace is probably the best person to comment - he apparently watches every single match of every single round.

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                    • Rob-bloods
                      What a year 2005 SSFC/CFC
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 931

                      #11
                      Well whoopee doo, Eddie bending the facts/presentation to suit his own agenda......are you guys really surprised?

                      That's all he ever does!
                      Sports do not build character. They reveal it....Heywood Broun

                      I always turn to the sports pages first, which record people's accomplishments. The front page has nothing but man's failures......Earl Warren

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                      • Snowy
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 1244

                        #12
                        I didn't see it as a dig at Colless, I thought it was more a campaign to get the rules committee to alter some of the rules. It has been pointed out ad nauseam this week that the umpires are making correct interpretations, it is the rules which stink. Most critics seem to have come to this conclusion at this point in time. And remember Malthouse was a recent critic so he would be seen to be implicating him as well.
                        LIFE GOES ON

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                        • CureTheSane
                          Carpe Noctem
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 5032

                          #13
                          I didn't see it as a dig at Colless either.
                          And I would love to be able to, because well, it's Eddie we're talking about :lol
                          The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                          • dimelb
                            pr. dim-melb; m not f
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 6889

                            #14
                            My impression from watching games over the last couple of weeks is that the umps' stricter interpretation of the holding rule is working i.e. the game is getting faster and more open. And I'm in favour of that, provided the rulings are CONSISTENT!
                            He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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