centre square infringement

[jenky28]

I'm devastated. Just finished watching 'on the couch' on fox footy. Mike Sheahan asked Dean Laidley if if realised how the kangaroos got the ball into the forward line that one last time. He said he couldn't remember. Mike Sheahan told him that David King pushed Nick Davis into the centre square just as the umpire was about to bounce the ball thus we were pinged for a centre square infringement, they got the free kick and the rest is history. How much more pain do we Swans supporters have to endure? Maybe we could try that trick on Saturday night against Melbourne, then again maybe not knowing our luck with the umpire in recent weeks

[Diego]

Surely if the umpire spotted Nick inside the square at that vital second he would have seen King push Davis a few seconds earlier and if he did get pushed then he would have seen Nicks body react to a push.

If this is so then the umpiring has lost me. These little incidents are the ones that irk fans. Then they wonder why we abuse them so much.

I say a Royal commision into AFL umpiring needs to be held!

[dawson]

First he takes out OB and now this.

Too much to take.

[floppinab]

Along similar lines.........

Was Corey Jones anywhere near the contest when Ball did his deliberate. Just took a look at the replay and I don't think he was even in shot.

[dawson]

This perfectly demonstrates the flawed logic and mentality of the umpires.

They are so sacroscant about the laws and forget about the spirit in which they were written. Instead they get sucked in by shrewd players who take advantage of the umpire's naiveity and stupidity.

You can hardly say that a player being pushed into the centre square by an opposition player was why the law was written.

In fact if anything, a free kick should be paid against David King
for breaching the spirit of the game.

Cricket is now doing this, about time AFL started it as well

[floppinab]

Nup, didn't think so.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10385013%255E19742,00.html

****en umpires

[Glenn]

Typical, now they can't even get it right as to what player should take the free

[j s]

Re: centre square infringement

Originally posted by jenky28
I'm devastated. Just finished watching 'on the couch' on fox footy. Mike Sheahan asked Dean Laidley if if realised how the kangaroos got the ball into the forward line that one last time. He said he couldn't remember. Mike Sheahan told him that David King pushed Nick Davis into the centre square just as the umpire was about to bounce the ball thus we were pinged for a centre square infringement, they got the free kick and the rest is history. How much more pain do we Swans supporters have to endure? Maybe we could try that trick on Saturday night against Melbourne, then again maybe not knowing our luck with the umpire in recent weeks

Yep! That's what it looks like in the replay. They were on the O'Reilly side of the square. Can't really see the faces so let's agree it was King and Davis. Davis is standing by the square and King comes running past southbound. Davis starts running too between King and the line. they go past a pair of players (one of each) then just past them, and just as the ump begins his bounce action Davis appears to get nudged over the line. Because both players were running only a nudge would have been needed. He throws his arms up, regains his balance and gets back over the line but it's too late.

The simple rule change to remedy this is akin to a yachting start - if you cross the line too early you just have to go back and cross it again. If a player crosses the line too early but immediately retreats without interacting with the play in any way it should be play on as no possible advantage has been gained. The ump may not see the initial push but if his peripheral vision spots you inside he will certainly turn his head to see you retreat This rule change would remove most of the incentive to push another player in. If your opponent prevents you from retreating then the free will be paid against him because by this time the ump WILL be staring straight at the two of you.

[Nolie]

What puzzles me about the Jones goal from the deliberate OOB decision is that when he ran around from mark he was out of bounds himself! . That is if you "play on" and you are OOB surely he must be OOB and then it is a boundary throw-in.

In those situations the kicker should be foced to kick over the mark and not be allowed to deviate

On the same topic it is about time the "5 metre rule" is amended. The game has sped up enormously over the years but the 5 metre rule hangs around like a dinosaur. The defenders should be allowed within, say, 2 metres to prevent a player from running around and opening up the angle.

[dendol]

Does anyone remember the goal that Cressa milked to steal the game from the 'Roos 2 years back? Karma Cumma to bita us on the bumma.

[stellation]

On Davis and centre squares, did anybody else notice him lining up on the square at about CHB ready to crash through? Tthe interesting thing was that almost all the Kanga eyes in that area seemed to be watching Nick more than their own man.

[Snowy]

Well I heard that it was Buchanan, and if you look at the official stats there is one awarded against him but none against Davis - or did they get this wrong? If it was has Sheahan has suggested it just shows you it all gets down to what the ump sees and misses.

[ROK Lobster]

It seems it was ND...

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,10399020-23211,00.html

The club has not had much luck this year...

[Snowy]

Yes just caught up with it in the Herald Sun and King had earlier given one away himself. Jones was allowed to play on but had the siren have gone he would have been forced to kick over the mark. Still the umps should be more vigilant as to who should have taken the kick.

[floppinab]

Originally posted by Nolie
What puzzles me about the Jones goal from the deliberate OOB decision is that when he ran around from mark he was out of bounds himself! . That is if you "play on" and you are OOB surely he must be OOB and then it is a boundary throw-in.

This happens quite a bit. Someone might correct me if I'm wrong but I think the player is allowed to run in any direction but more or less in a straight line toward the boundary line until he enters the field of play. If he runs in a line that is "not over the mark" the umpire will call play on but he is not yet "out of bounds". If he decides to deviate from that straight line for any reason prior to entering the field of play then the boundary ump should call a for a throw in.
From what I remember Jones ran straight out and was OK.