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  • footyhead
    Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
    • May 2003
    • 1367

    The Swans as a club and football dept to be tested

    The Swans as a footballing organization, are to be put to the test over the next three seasons, I believe.
    With the advent of a lot of changes within other clubs footballing and coaching dept's, the era of mediocrity, and sneaking into the bottom half of the finals, being enough to earn the continued support of fans, both fickle and fanatic; is just about over !
    It will be harder and harder to get into the top eight I predict because the saints have improved dramatically, so have Calton and west coast, as well as Geelong, so have Melbourne. Collingwood and North Melbourne both look like being well in the push for finals berths in the next year or 2.
    Along with this there is the fact that even if Port or Brisbane do not win another flag between them in the next 3 years, they will certainly be strong finals contenders.
    Have the Swans administration done enough to improve their stocks and keep up with the ever improving field ?
    I believe that the Swans administration have enforced a policy on both Roos and Eade of rebuilding the team while trying to at least make the finals, Thereby keeping the crowds up for Sydney home games, but not allowing a complete and comprehensive rebuild of the team to take place.
    This may have been the right decision, because without a long term commitment by the Sydney fans, the club would not have had any room to move in terms of money and attendances. However the crunch time for this particular philosophy may well be at hand.
    With Rodney Eade back in the fray, and Terry Wallace at the helm of the Tigers, I can see a lot of improvement coming from at least two bottom four teams, maybe even three. Perhaps so much improvement that they all could make the finals within two years.
    On top of this I don't see any of the other teams mentioned above loosing anything in the off season. In fact the only teams I think may fall out of finals contention are Fremantle and the Swans.
    How will the Swans deal, if they suddenly find that their accepted 10 year plan of making the finals without a real clean out suddenly leads the club to the bottom 1/4 of the competition ?
    This I think is a real very real possibility, and the only way out of it will be to cut into our list deeply (ie using at least 3 or 4 of our starting line up as trade bait), and try to find some excellence in the draft or at the trade table. Both options are dangerous, because short term drafting and trading has proved not to be the true road to success.
    I fear the Swans may well have a true rebuild forced upon them if the rest of the field improves as much as I think they may. Standing still will not cut it for much longer, Neither will making the finals without premeirship glory. The competition is coming.
    May the force be with us all.
    Last edited by footyhead; 17 August 2004, 04:14 AM.
  • Doctor J.
    Senior Player
    • Feb 2003
    • 1310

    #2
    List Clean outs = success.

    Who thought of that theory and when has it ever proved to be successful.

    Geez footyhead you are so illogical most of the time.

    for some reason you can magically see development in the lists of the bottom four clubs, but zero development in our list.

    Words fail me!!!

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    • footyhead
      Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
      • May 2003
      • 1367

      #3
      Where is the improvment in our list since last year? Have the Swans improved in the last 8 years?? acording to the record books last year is the first time since 1996 that the Swans have improved.
      This year (as yet) we have not improved.
      Why do so many Swans fans hate the facts as stated by the record books ?
      I just want this team to have real success, instead of the high hopes that most seem to entertain, and thrive on. Hope does not enlist new fans, success does !

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      • liz
        Veteran
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16778

        #4
        Originally posted by footyhead
        This year (as yet) we have not improved.
        You cannot measure ongoing improvement merely by ladder position and / or number of wins without taking into account trends, context and circumstances. It is often very hard to measure overall improvement except in hindsight - within the middle of a cycle there are too many complexities to see the whole picture.

        That said, there are tangible improvements in some areas.

        Hall has become an even better player than last year.

        O'Keefe has become a better player than last year.

        Bevan has emerged as a genuine AFL player and the signs are that McVeigh, too, can play at AFL level.

        Kennelly continues to show improvement, albeit not at the exponential rate of the last two seasons.

        Barry and Kirk have shown that they are capable of sustaining the level they achieved last year.

        Buchanan and Ablett have contributed far more than they have in the past, though they probably need to do what they've done over a longer period of time to become established, long-term AFL players.

        Crouch has shown greater versatility in that he can be attacking as well as defensive.

        The main players whose contributions have been disappointing this year - Goodes, Davis, Schneider, LRT - can be almost completely explained by injuries.

        Jude is probably one who's drop can't be put down to injury. But while he hasn't been able to maintain the very high level he achieved last year, there is still the realistic possibility that he can get back up there. He's still a valuable contributor at the level of this year but would be nice to see him recapture 2003 form in the future.

        If you ever watched a reserves game you would see promising signs from Willougby, M Davis and Schmidt in particular. It's still early days for these, but they indicate that the "nursery" is functioning as it should.

        So no, the Swans have not suddenly emerged as the best team in the land but there are more signs that they are moving in the right direction than not.

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        • Doctor J.
          Senior Player
          • Feb 2003
          • 1310

          #5
          Originally posted by liz
          You cannot measure ongoing improvement merely by ladder position and / or number of wins without taking into account trends, context and circumstances. It is often very hard to measure overall improvement except in hindsight - within the middle of a cycle there are too many complexities to see the whole picture.

          So no, the Swans have not suddenly emerged as the best team in the land but there are more signs that they are moving in the right direction than not.
          Pretty well said Liz, but even after all that, yep I've come to the conclusion that our best course of action is to make wholesale changes to the list. Trade everyone who will command anything on the trade market, de-list anyone who doesn't, fill the list with as many young draftees as possible, and out of all that, we might just come up with one Chris Judd. Perfect solution to all our woes I say.

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          • cruiser
            What the frack!
            • Jul 2004
            • 6114

            #6
            Originally posted by Doctor J.
            Pretty well said Liz, but even after all that, yep I've come to the conclusion that our best course of action is to make wholesale changes to the list. Trade everyone who will command anything on the trade market, de-list anyone who doesn't, fill the list with as many young draftees as possible, and out of all that, we might just come up with one Chris Judd. Perfect solution to all our woes I say.
            Some of you people expect miraculous instant success. I can't believe you are advocating trading "everyone who will command anything on the market". What a dipstick you are. You should be a Collingwood or Richmond supporter. While there is much intelligent discussion and analysis on this board, there is also occassional unbelievable stupidity. The above statement is even dumber than the posting complaining about overplaying of the club song.
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            • hammo
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2003
              • 5554

              #7
              I don't subscribe to the "trade everyone" theory.

              As an example I would use Essendon who haven't missed the finals in 9 years and yet haven't undergone wholesale changes.

              I still maintain we are a midfielder and a CHB away from being a possible premiership team.

              I also hate the idea of some of our fringe players turning out in a Richmond premiership side.

              Smart trading not mass trading is the way to go.
              "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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              • ROK Lobster
                RWO Life Member
                • Aug 2004
                • 8658

                #8
                Originally posted by cruiser
                Some of you people expect miraculous instant success. I can't believe you are advocating trading "everyone who will command anything on the market". What a dipstick you are. You should be a Collingwood or Richmond supporter. While there is much intelligent discussion and analysis on this board, there is also occassional unbelievable stupidity. The above statement is even dumber than the posting complaining about overplaying of the club song.
                Can I help?

                "irony: a figure of speech or a literary device in which the literal meaning is the opposite of that intended",

                or in other words "taking the piss".

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                • Damien
                  Living in 2005
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 3713

                  #9
                  Originally posted by cruiser
                  Some of you people expect miraculous instant success. I can't believe you are advocating trading "everyone who will command anything on the market". What a dipstick you are. You should be a Collingwood or Richmond supporter. While there is much intelligent discussion and analysis on this board, there is also occassional unbelievable stupidity. The above statement is even dumber than the posting complaining about overplaying of the club song.
                  Happy to be corrected, but I am positive Doctor J was being sarcastic.

                  No need for an overeaction Cruiser lol

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                  • RogueSwan
                    McVeigh for Brownlow
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 4602

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cruiser
                    Some of you people expect miraculous instant success. I can't believe you are advocating trading "everyone who will command anything on the market". What a dipstick you are.
                    Bit harsh there Cruiser. I think Doctor J forgot to add the sarcasm smiley.
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                    • Doctor J.
                      Senior Player
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 1310

                      #11
                      Originally posted by cruiser
                      Some of you people expect miraculous instant success. I can't believe you are advocating trading "everyone who will command anything on the market". What a dipstick you are. You should be a Collingwood or Richmond supporter. While there is much intelligent discussion and analysis on this board, there is also occassional unbelievable stupidity. The above statement is even dumber than the posting complaining about overplaying of the club song.
                      As Bill Lawry would say GOT HIM!!!!!

                      I've never had such a reaction from a piss take in all my life. Marvellous what happens when the brains left in neutral by some.

                      Being labelled as dipstick or a poster of dumb statements I can live with, but man to be called a Richmond or FFS even worse a Collingwood supporter... I am totally shattered.

                      Cheers to ya Cruiser. I'm off to wash those Richmond & Collingwood impurities from my body. Wish me luck!!!

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                      • Bleed Red Blood
                        Senior Player
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 2057

                        #12
                        I think the only changes to the list need at the end of the year need to be -

                        1.Trade Fosdike.
                        2.Get rid of Sunqvist,Warfe and Hunt.Trade if possible for an up and comeing forward/ruckmen.Not for draft picks.
                        3.Recruit a Brogan/Charman type player.At least fifty games.
                        4.In the draft pick up a young KP forward or two.
                        5.Play LRT at CHB the entire off-season.

                        I see no reason to pick up a quality midfielder.Nor a KP backman.

                        Just a KP forward and a ruckman.

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                        • dendol
                          fat-arsed midfielder
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 1483

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
                          I think the only changes to the list need at the end of the year need to be -

                          1.Trade Fosdike.
                          2.Get rid of Sunqvist,Warfe and Hunt.Trade if possible for an up and comeing forward/ruckmen.Not for draft picks.
                          3.Recruit a Brogan/Charman type player.At least fifty games.
                          4.In the draft pick up a young KP forward or two.
                          5.Play LRT at CHB the entire off-season.

                          I see no reason to pick up a quality midfielder.Nor a KP backman.

                          Just a KP forward and a ruckman.
                          umm, why a KP forward right now? Our forward line is the last thing that needs augmenting atm. If you are looking to protect our future 5 years from now, then a promising, strong marking forward can be drafted two years from now. We need to trade for a ruckman and a proven CHB (youngish) and a star midfielder if we are to seriously see if the side we have is good enough to win a flag in the near future.

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                          • Schneiderman
                            The Fourth Captain
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 1615

                            #14
                            I think a quality midfielder and top ruckman (to replace Ball) are ideal.

                            We have an excellent ex-CHB in Roos, so I trust he can find and train talent himself for that position.

                            We need a replacement for Kelly / Cresswell / Maxfield / Williams. Sure we can groom one from our long list of youngsters, but we need some experience in the meantime to show them how its done.
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                            • dimelb
                              pr. dim-melb; m not f
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 6889

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
                              I think the only changes to the list need at the end of the year need to be -

                              1.Trade Fosdike.
                              2.Get rid of Sunqvist,Warfe and Hunt.Trade if possible for an up and comeing forward/ruckmen.Not for draft picks.
                              3.Recruit a Brogan/Charman type player.At least fifty games.
                              4.In the draft pick up a young KP forward or two.
                              5.Play LRT at CHB the entire off-season.

                              I see no reason to pick up a quality midfielder.Nor a KP backman.

                              Just a KP forward and a ruckman.
                              I agree with all of this except trading Fosdike.
                              Our problems this year are down to one factor - INJURIES.
                              This despite the ups and downs Liz mentioned. As the injuries come good, so will our fortunes.
                              He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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