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  • footyhead
    Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
    • May 2003
    • 1367

    So let me get this right

    With all the feel good supporters on here and the bleeding hearts who don't want to "hurt" the feelings of any of the players , I'm getting the feeling that everything is just fine at the Swannies... We mustn't trade jude or Fossie, the only player we should delist is warfe , we should except the team managment cos things really are improving even though we can't see it on the score boards. lets just keep on keeping on , and a premiership is just a year or two around the corner !!
    Well I'm sorry kids , I just don't buy it.
    This team needs at least 15- 20 percent improvment just to be a real threat this year, factor in the excepted fact that the standard of the leaugue improves evey year, and you could say that the Swans may well be needing an extra 30 + percent improvment within the next 2 year, just to be in contention.
    Where's the improvment comming from ?
    And don't give me that crap about it all being down to injuries....." if we get all our injured players back we could be ..... anything....." sure and if port Adelaide had their injured players back, then they would aready have won the flag !
    The fact is the Swans need at least 1 maybe 2 or even 3 more genuine stars to compete with the likes of Ports list, Brisbanes list, St-kildas list and even Geelongs , in the big one at the MCG. These kinds of stars are not currently on our injury list.
    And please spare me the "anything can happen in the finals" line, cos even though I would love it to, and even though it could.... maybe... happen, at this stage, if it deos we would have lucked a premeirship, as oppossed to built a team to go and "smash and grab" one.
    I prefer the later, it means you have a shot at doin it a few times in a decade.
    Where are the Stars going to come from if we don't cut some trade bait out of the list ? How do we know what the team is capable of if we don't even play the kids who have been performing exceptionally well in the reserves. Who will bear the brunt if Roos is unsuccessful ?
    Come on people how about a bit of blood lust ? It's just the same old live in hope culture, don't say anything to upset the players crapedy crap crap !
    Well i recon this team needs some upsetting, who knows if somone upsetts the apple cart maybe a few champion apples may be found way down the bottom where no one was lookin !
    Last edited by footyhead; 18 August 2004, 04:31 AM.
  • caj23
    Senior Player
    • Aug 2003
    • 2462

    #2
    so your suggesting we will find some genuine stars with the 2nd and 3rd round draft picks you'd trade for Fosdike and Bolton

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    • footyhead
      Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
      • May 2003
      • 1367

      #3
      The idea, is to get a deal that is something like Bolton and fossie + a third round pick for a top 8 pick and / or bolton and foosie + pick for very good young CHF with 30 - 60 games under his belt.
      Then we should or could see some real improvment to the list , if we get somone choosing the right kids.
      Not everything is as mundane as the way you choose to live your life Will.
      Oh and by the way if you think that Bolton would go higher than a 2and round pick, then I suggest you have a look at recent trades for an indication. Premium is on undeveloped young players these days. ie high draft picks are highly sought.
      That is one reason jude is such a dissapointment really.
      Last edited by footyhead; 18 August 2004, 04:46 AM.

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      • liz
        Veteran
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16770

        #4
        Originally posted by footyhead
        The idea, is to get a deal that is something like Bolton and fossie + a third round pick for a top 8 pick and / or bolton and foosie + pick for very good young CHF with 30 - 60 games under his belt.
        So you want to trade 2 past top 8 drafted players who are currently in their football prime, plus a draft pick, for another pick so that you have someone to continually bag in four or five years time because they haven't lived up to your expectations?

        Review the history of players drafted over the past six or seven years and you will see that Bolton and Fosdike are not atypical of players drafted at similar positions in the draft. For every Chris Judd there is a Murray Vance. For every Luke Ball there is a Danny Roach. For every Nick Riewoldt there is a Michael Stevens. Or a Des Headland or Travis Johnstone, talented players who have not lived up to their expectations. Or a Michael Gardiner who is a very good player but who has been only able to play at his best for a relatively short span due to chronic injuries.

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        • RogueSwan
          McVeigh for Brownlow
          • Apr 2003
          • 4602

          #5
          Re: So let me get this right

          Originally posted by footyhead
          With all the feel good supporters on here and the bleeding hearts who don't want to "hurt" the feelings of any of the players , I'm getting the feeling that everything is just fine at the Swannies...
          I can't recall having read a single post in the last 18 months that has given me the feeling eveything is just going along fine. Sure there are posts were RWOer's defend their favourites but equally there are numerous posts saying all is not well.

          Do you really think the Swans are going make wholesale changes? If not you had better find another team to follow, as Roos plan may take longer than you have patience for (grammar?)
          "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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          • Bart
            CHHHOMMMMMPPP!!!!
            • Feb 2003
            • 1360

            #6
            Re: Re: So let me get this right

            News just to hand....

            Swans to trade Footyhead to Collingwood for Joffa. Swans members think its a good deal.

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            • RogueSwan
              McVeigh for Brownlow
              • Apr 2003
              • 4602

              #7
              Yes, even better than snaring Williams or Schauble!
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              • footyhead
                Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
                • May 2003
                • 1367

                #8
                Thats all well and good and there may even be a bit of trueth to what you say Liz. But please tell me if you don't use players like Bolton or Fossie as trade bait (IE if ya don't trade the dissapiontments) then where is the improvment commin from ? Are we to wait till the 2003 draft picks come on ?
                Well that may be ok, but the problem is that about 14 other clubs have had picks before us, as most clubs have most years for a long time now. Therefore their lists should in fact be ahead of ours.
                the clever teams seem to be able to cheat in the draft, IE get chioces earlier than where they finished at - they often do this by giving up one of those dissapointing players you talked about and using the returns on a new pick - I suppose the adage is:" if at first you don't succeed..... try try again"
                So to answer, yes I say get rid of under performing draft picks who have had years to show their wares; and get some other sucker to lament them and in the mean time we will use the draft picks we get for them to unearth and develop those home grown champions we so sorley miss.
                This is what the Bombers do why not us ?

                PS if the Bombers win this weekend, there trading and development of youth will in fact have had a lot to do with it, and the fact they have been in the finals for over 7 years, not to mention have won about 13 more flags than us.
                What is wrong with @@@@ clubs learning from the smart ones ?
                Last edited by footyhead; 18 August 2004, 09:01 AM.

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                • CureTheSane
                  Carpe Noctem
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 5032

                  #9
                  I was going to reply to the original post, but then I saw the replies and I know I don't need to.

                  LMAO@Bart

                  too funny
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                  • hammo
                    Veterans List
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 5554

                    #10
                    There is no reason why we can't build a premiership team around Hall and Goodes.
                    But we do need a gun midfielder to work with our reliable ones like Kirk, while Ablett and McVeigh also will develop into good players.
                    Our defence has consistently shown it is one of the best in the league although we definitely need a CHB, a fact that which most of us here agree on.
                    Our forward line is also one of the best going around when Hall, O'Loughlin, O'Keefe and Davis are all available.
                    So what is left is a midfield to win the footy and provide good delivery to the forward line.
                    If Davis hadn't have been injured this season would he have played more on the ball??
                    Basically we need to trade sensibly and not end up in a worse position. Why trade Fozzie and Jude if we don't get anyone better??
                    "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                    • stellation
                      scott names the planets
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 9720

                      #11
                      Originally posted by hammo
                      If Davis hadn't have been injured this season would he have played more on the ball??
                      I think he would have, and hope he will next year. Fully fit with a full pre-season and in the right mindset he could provide us with our needed gun midfielder next year. Obviously similar things can be said for a few players around the comp... I know some folks think he should play close to the goals, but I can think of two to Mickey O on Saturday that showed the value of having someone like Nicky D playing further up the ground

                      1. Nicky D marking and waiting out on the flank for the right option before being able to deliver a perfect pass to Mickey.
                      2. Nicky D receiving a handball and kicking long to the square for Mickey.

                      God knows what would have happened if some of our other midfielders had the ball... chip sideways... stop and run backwards...
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                      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                      • sharpie
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 1588

                        #12
                        Ok, we trade Jude and Fossie for draft picks. Maxfield and Willo will probably have reduced output next season and J.Ball may well retire. That leaves us with one main ruckman (Doyle - or should we be getting rid of him too, Footyhead?) and not much in the midfield (just raw, inexperienced, light-weight beginnners).

                        Now, for next season we try this formula and all the light-weights get battered and injured and completely scarred for the rest of their careers.

                        Hmmm, great stuff. Inspired decisions there. We could aspire to be the next bulldogs team. Whoopee.

                        So glad that Footyhead is not in charge when it matters.

                        I suggest that hard decisions do need to be made, but wholesale clean-outs are not going to get you anywhere. Someone like Fosdike may well be in line for a trade to help us get a young key defender with a few games under his belt already if possible. But talk of gettting rid of both of these guys is ludicrous.
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                        • Bleed Red Blood
                          Senior Player
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 2057

                          #13
                          Just get rid of Fosdike, where is he from?Maybe trade for Crawford?

                          Then we must get a good KP forward who can play ruck, we need this.

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                          • originalswan
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 550

                            #14
                            I thought that we have been trading with examples:

                            1. Greg Stafford (cant remember what we got)

                            2. Scott Stevens to Adelaide for Draft pick!

                            Look I am impatient for real success (Premiership) like most on this board but I am still willing to give Roosy and his team the time they originally said it would take to be Successful.

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                            • Captain
                              Captain of the Side
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 3602

                              #15
                              I think we should trade Fosdike, provided the deal is right.

                              Richmond and Essendon need running midfielders like him and both have an abundance of talls.

                              Fosdike for Ray Hall
                              Fosdike + Jude Bolton for Ottens.

                              Personally I think we should keep Jude, however I'm realistic enough to know you have to give up something to get something.

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