Midaro's List Analysis (21-47)

[midaro]

21. Leo Barry
Career Status: Excellent
Trade Status: Indispensable
He's pushing for All-Australian selection again this year. Leo's ability to take on forwards much larger than himself makes him indispensable, (whether or not you like his runs).

22. Jason Saddington
Career Status: Good
Trade Status: Tradeable
Much maligned. So many peoples favourite scapegoat. He was never a CHB and was sacrificed in that role, out of necessity. He was really starting to show something as a tall utility before doing his knee. He is tradeable, however, the knee injury probably counts against that possibility.

23. Matthew Nicks
Career Status: Fair
Trade Status: Valueless
His last couple of months have certainly saved him from the scrap heap for another year. If Carlton didn't want him last year, no-one is going to want him this year.

24. Jude Bolton
Career Status: Good
Trade Status: Tradeable
The fact that he is an inside midfielder and gets a lot of game time ups his ranking. He also has good exposure outside Sydney - so he makes for good tradebait. However, if he is traded, it must be in a deal that results in us getting a better midfielder - we can't afford to weaken that area of our side anymore.

25. Andrew Schauble
Career Status: Good
Trade Status: Indispensable
Our number one tall defender. Realistically, Schauble will not be given up under any circumstance. I did, however, notice that he was on a list of uncontracted players that I saw in the HUN the other day. That's a concern.

26. Sean Dempster
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Yet to debut. Regular emergency. Probably retained on the senior list. Possibly demoted to the rookie list. Unlikely to be delisted.

27. Jason Ball
Career Status: Good
Trade Status: Valueless
As ruckman go, Ball's better around the ground than at the HOs. He is a vital player and we should do everything possible to ensure that he puts on the boots for another season.

28. Jared Crouch
Career Status: Good
Trade Status: Undervalued
As a midfielder he's only in the Mathews/Fosdike league, but as a small defender/tagger he distinguishes himself. Although he is somewhat known outside Sydney - for his durability and pace - I doubt he would attract trade value comparable to his worth to the Swans.

29. Mark Powell
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Looked promising last year, but hasn't stepped up. He should still be with the Swans next year, but its 50/50 whether he'll be retained on the senior list, or dropped to the rookie list.

30. Lewis Roberts-Thompson
Career Status: Unknown (Poor)
Trade Status: Valueless
Was given opportunities and revealed as not up to senior level... yet. Whether or not he will ever be a player is very much open to debate, but I think everyone's agreed to keep chanting "talls take longer" for a while yet. (I'm just grateful he's not still being played - coach's pet ).

31. Brett Kirk
Career Status: Good
Trade Status: Undervalued
Probably our number one midfielder (which really is a worry - don't tell me it's not). Like Crouch, he would never attract his worth in a trade scenario.

32. Amon Buchanan
Career Status: Fair
Trade Status: Valueless
Not there yet, but promising. He certainly won't be delisted again this year, but nor does he have any trade value.

33. Rowan Warfe
Career Status: Poor
Trade Status: Valueless
Warfe will be delisted at years end.

34. Daniel Hunt
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Yet to debut. Does the "talls take longer" mantra hold for him, too? Will he stay on the rookie list, or is he gone?

35. Jarrad Sundqvist
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Never really got much game time, but looked OK. He'll probably be consigned to the rookie list.

36. Tim Schmidt
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Yet to debut. First year - must be retained on the senior list.

37. Adam Goodes
Career Status: Excellent (briefly elite)
Trade Status: Tradeable
He peaked into the elite class during the final against Port last year, but hasn't been the same since he did his knee in round 8. However, he would still have enormous trade value. Why on Earth would we consider trading a Brownlow medallist? Because its there? Hell I don't know - I agree it seems ridiculous, but it has been done before (and proved to be a good move ).
The things is, are we about the players or the club? Me? I'd barrack for Hitler if he wore red and white.
Goodesy is a special case. He's a huge man but he isn't allowed to ruck. He was tried by Eade as a CHF, unsuccessfully. He's currently playing as a CHB, but no-one really believes he will play 100 games there. Do they? So get rid of him at a high price and let some other coach worry about it - nah that's bull. It would have to be one hell of a deal.

38. Joshua Thewlis
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
2 games. Probably retained on the senior list. Possibly demoted to the rookie list. Unlikely to be delisted.

39. Scott McGlone
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Probably retained on the rookie list. Unlikely to be promoted. Less likely to be delisted.

40. Nick Malceski
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
The knee was unfortunate. May be demoted to the rookie list, or delisted entirely.

41. Andrew Ericksen
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Yet to debut. First year - must be retained on the senior list.

42. Paul Bevan
Career Status: Good
Trade Status: Undervalued
He's still improving rapidly, so he would never attract what he's worth if traded - not that there's any chance of that happening. Gutsy player and outside chance for the Rising Star Award this year (it's an even field). He is certain to be promoted to the senior list in 2005.

43. James Mieklejohn
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Hasn't had many opportunities at senior level. He was promoted from the rookie list last year, does that mean he can't be delisted this year? Is there a minimum 2 year contract like for draftees?. Otherwise he is a candidate for delisting, despite our ruck problems if Ball retires.

44. Matthew Davis
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Yet to debut. First year - must be retained on the senior list.

45. Aaron Rogers
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
60/40 - Retained on rookie list/delisted.

46. Luke Taylor
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Yet to debut. ??/?? - Retained on rookie list/delisted.

47. Nick Potter
Career Status: Unknown
Trade Status: Valueless
Yet to debut. ??/?? - Retained on rookie list/delisted.

[sharp9]

Pretty good, analysis there but I disagree on one major point, Buchanan would definitely be picked up by other clubs. But he is worth more to us than we would get (a 2nd Rnd pick) so I would put him down as Undervalued.

[Charlie]

You've underestimated Crouch - he's well above Mathews and Fosdike - and Kirk, who's much better than a 'good' player. He is up there with Barry and O'Loughlin just outside the elite players.

Speaking of the elite players. For Hall I have no issues with what you posted. Goodes traded? Get out of here. He'll be back and he'll win another Brownlow. Just let him run.

Having Schneider as 'indispensable' whilst O'Loughlin is 'tradeable' is hard to fathom.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by Charlie
Having Schneider as 'indispensable' whilst O'Loughlin is 'tradeable' is hard to fathom.

Ditto with O'Keefe. He and Magic are indispensable.

Good list otherwise

[jenky28]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Charlie
[B]You've underestimated Crouch - he's well above Mathews and Fosdike - and Kirk, who's much better than a 'good' player. He is up there with Barry and O'Loughlin just outside the elite players.

I agree i think Crouch is a vital part to our team as he would not have made 150 games straight since debut if he wasnt what do others think??

Although i am the biggest crouch fan going around so mayb i am bias.

[midaro]

Originally posted by Charlie
Having Schneider as 'indispensable' whilst O'Loughlin is 'tradeable' is hard to fathom.

Schneider has far more potential that Micky. Schneider is about 7 years younger and will likely become a midfielder as well as a small forward.

Micky has long-term injury worries and is one-dimensional - he will play the rest of his career from the goalsquare. We also have more players that can fill Micky's role (Davis, O'Keefe) than Schneider's.

BTW I would only ever consider trading 1 of Micky and O'Keefe.

Crouch - I stand by that.

[Doctor]

Superb analysis. I don't agree 100% with all of it - but you've done a great job in separating objectivity from emotion with your assessments.

[SimonH]

While there is way too much trade talk on RWO, I agree with you that when you step back and look at it without emotion, Goodesie is actually one of our more tradeable players (although I dunno when his current contract expires).

He has relatively recent excellent form (2003 and small parts of 2004), he has a national profile that means we could demand heaps for him, and (most importantly) he is nice rather than integral in our current team structure.

The fact is a player of his talents and temperament ain't and will never be a defender, we're playing 2 specialist ruckmen apart from him, and we've got enough marking power up forward without him. Not to say we can't use him- any team could find a use for Adam Goodes- but (unlike half-a-dozen others) we have a cohesive team structure without him.

[NMWBloods]

No reason why Goodes is untradeable - I would consider swapping him for someone like Black or Judd.

I don't consider any player untradeable. However, I do think there are some players where the possibility of getting a sensible trade is next to impossible (eg: Hall).

[midaro]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I don't consider any player untradeable. However, I do think there are some players where the possibility of getting a sensible trade is next to impossible (eg: Hall).

Agree.
This is one aspect of what I was trying to get at with the 'indespensible' category. Yes, we could trade Hall or Schauble, but only for Tredrea or Scarlett (as examples). The individual player is tradeable, but the type of player is required. So there's no point in doing it.