Does the Swans constitution...

[Mark]

Originally posted by Charlie
In a way, yes.

My reason is simple: a) it's a great looking jumper, and b) if it gets a couple of hundred old Southerners back to the club, surely it's worth it.

Anything that brings in members, regardless of where they live or why they join, has my vote.

Even mute members with nice new scarves, clad from head to toe in gimp leather outfits, are welcome as far as i am concerned !

[robbieando]

Originally posted by Mark
Apologies, but you did get to see the jumper up close and personal tho !

In a way, yes. But the jumper that night was a mixture of the old South jumper and the current jumper, with a TOTC logo over the front. Nice on the night and something us Victorians would love to see more offen when the Swans play in Melbourne. If it could help get us some more members in Victoria then it has to at least be looked at.

On the hertiage jumper for 05 I think we use our most successful jumper - the Red Sash - which we won 2 of our 3 premierships in. We have plenty of old jumpers which we could use not just the Red V.

[stellation]

Originally posted by Charlie

At the risk of seeming like I am on some anti-Sydney rant, this is a Sydney-centric statement by a Sydney-centric person, who doesn't have a clue what a Melbourne based supporter would view as sufficient. The heritage round matches have been in Sydney. Don't you think Melbourne fans might like to go to games with the South Melbourne jumper?

I have lived in Melbourne and am not particuarly Sydney-centric. If the AFL goes with a home and away strip idea then I have no issue with them using the South Melbourne jumper, and to be honest I don't really have an issue with them using it everytime they play in Melbourne... clubs change their strips...

I just didn't phrase my first response properly so I'll leave it there

[Charlie]

Originally posted by stellation
I have lived in Melbourne and am not particuarly Sydney-centric. If the AFL goes with a home and away strip idea then I have no issue with them using the South Melbourne jumper, and to be honest I don't really have an issue with them using it everytime they play in Melbourne... clubs change their strips...

Mate - sorry for snapping. Whether you've lived in Melbourne or not, though, surely what is sufficient for Melbourne supporters is something that should be decided by Melbourne supporters, not Sydney ones. You may not be Sydney-centric, but the statement was.

BTW - Thanks for that link ROK Lobster. As the club (I wish we hadn't changed our name to "Sydney Swans Limited") is a public company, does that mean that there are publicly available financial reports?

[ROK Lobster]

Charlie, if you look on the ASIC web site you will see that there are about 9 companies registered under the Swans name. Again I'm not 100% sure of this but my understanding is that "limited " refers to the type of company it is and means that its liability is limited, such that if they go bust creditors cannot chase members for money. It is part of being incorporated as a company. If it were a partnership (and all the members were partners) and ended up going down the gurgler with debts of say $2 million, we'd be forking out the dough. Our ramshackle tin pot cricket club with 5 teams is incorporated (a special sort for little clubs). It's just life, it does not really mean that the club is some ugly corporation sucking the life from society (that's the AFL)

[Charlie]

It's not the word "Limited" that upsets me. It's the lack of the words "Football Club" anywhere. If we were "Sydney Swans Football Club Limited", it'd be all good.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Charlie
It's not the word "Limited" that upsets me. It's the lack of the words "Football Club" anywhere. If we were "Sydney Swans Football Club Limited", it'd be all good.

Click here Charlie for a list of the registered names. I'll have a bit of a snoop around and see what I can find for out for you regarding the constitution of the club.

Edit: I checked the link, doesn't seem to work if you come in from the outside. There are 13 registered names (one the Sydney Swans Inddor Football Club or something?), some are the same names registered in different states.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Charlie
Mate - sorry for snapping. Whether you've lived in Melbourne or not, though, surely what is sufficient for Melbourne supporters is something that should be decided by Melbourne supporters, not Sydney ones. You may not be Sydney-centric, but the statement was.

Geez this garbage is old and tired, we are all Sydney Swans supporters, not Melbourne or Sydney, swans supporters.

The thing that is amusing is that you were all of about 2 or 3 when when the club relocated anyway, why do you have such a chip on your shoulder ?

All of the 'old South' supporters i know, who were old enough to actually remember the relocation, could not give a stuff about this sort of nonsense

[Charlie]

Mark - I wasn't born when the Swans were South Melbourne. I respect the importance of that period of our history, but that's all. I'm not a South supporter, I'm a Sydney supporter, who lives in Melbourne.

However, the Sydney Swans have, for a variety of reasons not limited to South, a very significant-sized supporter base here. The interests of those supporters should be represented on the board. It's not irrational, surely, to suggest that it should be Melbourne supporters that decide what is desirable for Melbourne supporters.

I've already stated my reasons for favouring the South jumper for some games (I personally wouldn't like it to be all Victorian games, just 2 or 3). It makes good marketing sense to me, and the jumper itself looks great. I'm one of the strongest advocates here for a one-club culture, and I don't believe that highlighting both the South Melbourne and Sydney aspects of our club and culture is incompatible with that. But the material reality is that the two big fanbases have differing needs.

[swansrule100]

Originally posted by Charlie
Mark - I wasn't born when the Swans were South Melbourne. I respect the importance of that period of our history, but that's all. I'm not a South supporter, I'm a Sydney supporter, who lives in Melbourne.

However, the Sydney Swans have, for a variety of reasons not limited to South, a very significant-sized supporter base here. The interests of those supporters should be represented on the board. It's not irrational, surely, to suggest that it should be Melbourne supporters that decide what is desirable for Melbourne supporters.

I've already stated my reasons for favouring the South jumper for some games (I personally wouldn't like it to be all Victorian games, just 2 or 3). It makes good marketing sense to me, and the jumper itself looks great. I'm one of the strongest advocates here for a one-club culture, and I don't believe that highlighting both the South Melbourne and Sydney aspects of our club and culture is incompatible with that. But the material reality is that the two big fanbases have differing needs.

very important to acknowledge the melbourne past......
tho i dont agree with the south jumper idea i think its ok for heritage round..but why take away from that....plus it looks too white and stupid compared to todays jumper!

also i guess whilst melbourne fans must be looked after and its vital it doesnt need to go to far if sthmelbourne fans supported the team enough in the first place it would still be there

[Mark]

Originally posted by Charlie
the Sydney Swans have, for a variety of reasons not limited to South, a very significant-sized supporter base here. The interests of those supporters should be represented on the board. It's not irrational, surely, to suggest that it should be Melbourne supporters that decide what is desirable for Melbourne supporters.

NO, the best interests of all supporters of the club should be taken into consideration (and only consideration) by the club. And, if the club (board) feel it is sufficiently important/pertinent acted upon.

This is regardlesss of whether they are from Sydney, Melbourne or country areas.

Continuing this stupid 'Melbourne' or 'Sydney' SWANS supporters garbage is just divisve nonsense.

You admited yourself that both MBH and TM have done a bloody good job attracting new members and looking after current members in Melb. Who gives a rats arse where the board members are from, were from, or may at some point in their life live, as long as they look after the best interests of the club.

Parochial garbage is just that at the end of the day.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by swansrule100
if sthmelbourne fans supported the team enough in the first place it would still be there

I wish some people would get their facts right when stating the above. Comments like the above are an insult to people like my Father who fought tooth and nail to keep the club at the Lake Oval, all Swans supporters at the time did. We certainly didn't end up moving North because our supporters didn't care enough. The Keep South At South movement proves that.

Don't forget that the fans voted against moving to Sydney despite the underhanded tactics by the VFL who "brought" over 200 memberships in an attempt to push the result of the AGM in their favour. When that didn't work the VFL withheld money the Swans were entitled to as part of upgrading the Lake Oval saying if we wanted that money we had to play our 1982 home matches in Sydney, money which the club never got despite moving North for the 82 season.

If the supporters were the reason for anything then we would still be playing at Lake Oval and Sydney would be represented by some other outfit and we wouldn't even be talking about this issue here on this board.

The supporters or lack of didn't kill South, years of board mis-managment and the VFL not wanting to let us get away in their attempts to get a team in Sydney did, anything else is just plain wrong.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Plastic surgery is needed!

Originally posted by monopoly19

I think that if we're going to divide up the member reps between Sydney and Melbourne, because that would be the fair/right thing to do, we should at least do it in proportion (i.e 3:1/4:1, whatever the figure is). However, seeing as that's not going to happen (there's only 2 spots) the positions should not be based on location, rather, on the person's ability to meet the requirements.

I have an idea. We have 1.5 people from Sydney and 0.5 of a person from Melbourne. The Melbourne people can select if they would like to be the wing breast or thigh if they would like. Or maybe one eye from Melbourne and the other from Sydney.

I have made no secret to my being involved with SSI in regard to encouraging this process to be carried out.

But now that it does look like it is being carried out, my involvement ceases. I have no ambition to support any particular party or person until I have looked at all of the candidates.

The main issue I have has already been addressed; that supporters were being taken seriously. Myles Baron-Haye has done more for this club that is humanly imaginable. If I send an email, I get a reply. If I see him at a game, I can have a chat about the match as if he was an every-day supporter. Yet he appears to have the business acumen in addition to his football knowledge. We are finally starting to mature into being a fair dinkum football CLUB. With our years of private ownership and pink helicopters being finally rendered to the vaults of history.

There is still an element within the club office in Sydney that I find a little unsavoury. Of people with ZERO football knowledge getting some course degree then landing a job somewhere in the club for 18 months then leaving "for better pastures" Of having a receptionist who is so football ignorant that when Channel 10 rings to interview mad keen supporters before an interstate final she replies "Well our club hasn't got any of those."

You only need to know how to run things by calling the Swans Melbourne-based office. Not only do they all start knowing your name immediately, but they have that passion for what they do. I just want to know is whether it is just instilled in them because they live in Melbourne. Or is it instructed from above?

But enough negativety, I'm bloody happy the way things are heading with my club, at least off the field.

JF

[Mark]

So Robbie, having said all that, one question;

should the Swans still be in South Melbourne, playing at Lake Oval ?

If the answer to that question is no, get over it, move on (from an event you were not even a spermatazoa at !) and support the club as a whole, not some disgruntled faction.

[swansrule100]

Originally posted by robbieando
I wish some people would get their facts right when stating the above. Comments like the above are an insult to people like my Father who fought tooth and nail to keep the club at the Lake Oval, all Swans supporters at the time did. We certainly didn't end up moving North because our supporters didn't care enough. The Keep South At South movement proves that.

theres no denying there were some real die hard quality fans who fought hard
but the vfl wanted it moved yes cos there was bugger all support for the club

i guess to me the point is the swans are in sydney.....the priority is to make sydney its strong base...yes it must acknowledge its past and try to use it to its advantage, but sometimes i feel the melbourne crap gets out of hand.... not really on this site tho i might add where it seems reasonable