The Swans Recruiting policy

[footyhead]

Don't fall down the ladder no matter what the cost, even if you end up only getting middle picks each year.
Draft as many midfielders as you can, try and pick up a couple of overlooked late picks or kids from NSW or Ireland or what not. Then when that does not work, once every 5 years or so, trade your early draft picks to poach another teams really good KPP, (preferably one who is searching for a little extra cash and glory)
And hey presto ! Instant mediocrity !
Result, a team that is firmly lodged in the middle to upper echelons of the Ladder who look like they might be able to be a real chance at a flag, but who in fact are just Flag pretenders/ also rans.
But at least the Sponsors are happy cos the Swans have the appearance of being contenders, and lets not forget that appearance is everything in the corporate world!
Oh and of course the administration is happy cos they can keep on patting themselves on the back that the crowds are coming to the footy, and that they are doing a good job in a difficult market.
If the Swans are ever to break this dead lock, some of the best footballing brains and most dominant people in football who truely understand the dynamics of the moodern era, will need to take over this club and give us the chance to win. Cos we sure don't have it in the medium term . The competition is just too good.
I had hoped that that would be Andrew Ireland, but it seems that the fiscal junkies have got there way again.

[liz]

Re: The Swans Recruiting policy

Originally posted by footyhead

If the Swans are ever to break this dead lock, some of the best footballing brains and most dominant people in football who truely understand the dynamics of the moodern era, will need to take over this club and give us the chance to win.

You planning on standing for the board then?

[ugg]

This article in The Australian this morning clearly explains Roos's position on the draft. After reading it, I had no doubt we were going to draft Spriggs.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11438738%255E2722,00.html

[footyhead]

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Originally posted by liz
You planning on standing for the board then?

No , the problems seem to me to be bigger than one man on the board could tackle, especially someone with a comparatively small footballing profile. it is easy to understand where they are coming from they see themselves as the guardians of the club, and we have been in a lot of dire financial straights, and they are certainly to be lauded for their achievements their in, but the footballing dept needs to be dominated by a visionary. I think a Mathews or a Malcolm Blight or Sheedy or MM, Pagan. Someone who's moral authority on all things "football" ( as opposed to business) could not be questioned and who's plans had to be implemented without tempering. We did have that in Barrasii, but he is hardly a man of the modern era (at least in footballing terms). Ron did a good job at linking us to the modern era, but now we need a genius of the modern era.
Cos we will not win the flag in the next 5 years, just look at what the other teams above us on the ladder have just done in the draft compared to us.
Look especially at Saint Kilda's drafting and trading and ports and the cats ! we are screwed.

[footyhead]

Originally posted by ugg
This article in The Australian this morning clearly explains Roos's position on the draft. After reading it, I had no doubt we were going to draft Spriggs.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E2722,00.html

Well there are some good pionts therein, but Sprigss, and pick fifteen in what has been considerd a very even draft- being describe as "not giving up that much" ?? I think You are a little bit wrong P. Roos.

[liz]

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Originally posted by footyhead
Look especially at Saint Kilda's drafting and trading and ports and the cats ! we are screwed.

So enlighten us on how St Kilda's trading and drafting of Fiora (let go by one of the worst teams in the comp), McGough (couldn't get a game in a struggling, injury ridden team) and Ackland is so special.

These players may do well, but on the face of it, it is a very similar drafting / trading strategy to the Swans claiming Jolly, Spriggs and James.

What did the Cats do this time round that earns them a spot on the pedestal, other than pay heavily for Ottens?

[footyhead]

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Originally posted by liz
So enlighten us on how St Kilda's trading and drafting of Fiora (let go by one of the worst teams in the comp), McGough (couldn't get a game in a struggling, injury ridden team) and Ackland is so special.

These players may do well, but on the face of it, it is a very similar drafting / trading strategy to the Swans claiming Jolly, Spriggs and James.

What did the Cats do this time round that earns them a spot on the pedestal, other than pay heavily for Ottens?

The difference ostensibly lies in the fact that the saints already have one of the best lists of footballing talent ever assembled, and the top up of the afore mentioned players will probably ensure that they win the flag in either 2005 2006.
The same unfortunately can not be said of the Swans 2004 drafting and trading situation, and if you are insinuating that it can or that we are going to be any where near competitive with either them or Port or Geelong, then you are insane .

[chammond]

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Originally posted by liz
So enlighten us on how St Kilda's trading and drafting of Fiora (let go by one of the worst teams in the comp), McGough (couldn't get a game in a struggling, injury ridden team) and Ackland is so special.

These players may do well, but on the face of it, it is a very similar drafting / trading strategy to the Swans claiming Jolly, Spriggs and James.

What did the Cats do this time round that earns them a spot on the pedestal, other than pay heavily for Ottens?

Yeah, it always makes me chuckle when I read about how brilliant St Kilda and Geelong have been at recruiting, and how their youth policies are models for the modern game.

Really, all they have been models for is rampant mediocrity . . . . gonnabes and wannabes who get every advantage but still can't cut it with the best.

Port have been by far the best performed team over the past two seasons, and their drafting policy is based on taking the best local talent first, and then topping-up with the best of what's left.

And their trading policy is usually forced on them by players who can't wait to get away from the club.

Maybe we should tell Roos to follow the Port Adelaide recruiting model if he wants to succeed?

[liz]

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Originally posted by chammond

Port have been by far the best performed team over the past two seasons, and their drafting policy is based on taking the best local talent first, and then topping-up with the best of what's left.

And they are not shy in taking players who others might deem to be washed-up or mediocre players and getting them to perform solid, consistent roles - Cochrane, Mahoney, Wakelin, even Bishop and Schofield arguably fit into these categories. None is the core of their team but they are valuable nonetheless.

[Foreign Legion]

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Originally posted by footyhead
The difference ostensibly lies in the fact that the saints already have one of the best lists of footballing talent ever assembled, and the top up of the afore mentioned players will probably ensure that they win the flag in either 2005 2006.
The same unfortunately can not be said of the Swans 2004 drafting and trading situation, and if you are insinuating that it can or that we are going to be any where near competitive with either them or Port or Geelong, then you are insane .

Who exactly are St.Kilda's backmen?

They have a good forward line (although it does leak a bit ) a good midfield but a poor defence. Don't think 1 good year means anything, afterall, a club as crappy as us beat 'em.

[SXP]

Can we have some fait in Roos and his football committee? I'm sure they'll try to find the best player possible. Our bickering here is not helping anyone.

[robbieando]

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Originally posted by footyhead
The difference ostensibly lies in the fact that the saints already have one of the best lists of footballing talent ever assembled, and the top up of the afore mentioned players will probably ensure that they win the flag in either 2005 2006.
The same unfortunately can not be said of the Swans 2004 drafting and trading situation, and if you are insinuating that it can or that we are going to be any where near competitive with either them or Port or Geelong, then you are insane .

So let me get this right, its OK for Geelong, Port Adelaide and St Kilda to top up their list with recycled players to win a premiership, but at the same time its not OK for the Swans to do the same????

Your logic is all over the place moron, but then again I don't expect any different from a person who thinks its OK for Geelong and Essendon to rebuild their list without early draft picks, but not OK for the Swans to do the same.

[DST]

I can't see anything wrong with our drafting today.

They picked up a young midfielder to go with the three we have drafted in the last couple of years (McVeigh/Willoughby/Schmidt). From all reports the kid is quick, gets his own footy (ie can play inside) and has good skills on both sides of his body.

We then went for a more mature age midfielder, who has pace and endurance that can help the team straight away from round 1 next year.

And finally, looking at what tall players were left they made a considered decision that Heath James was more of a safer bet next year playing as a back-up key defender.

The other key issue of today was that both Ed Clarke & Earl Shaw were both overlooked and will simply be listed by us as two of our rookie listed players.

I would have liked a young tall to be added to the list, but maybe Roos thinks that with LRT & Powell he has enough talent to work with until we can get a top 16 pick next year to draft a young tall.

DST

[Mark]

Originally posted by DST
I can't see anything wrong with our drafting today.

They picked up a young midfielder to go with the three we have drafted in the last couple of years (McVeigh/Willoughby/Schmidt). From all reports the kid is quick, gets his own footy (ie can play inside) and has good skills on both sides of his body.

We then went for a more mature age midfielder, who has pace and endurance that can help the team straight away from round 1 next year.

And finally, looking at what tall players were left they made a considered decision that Heath James was more of a safer bet next year playing as a back-up key defender.

The other key issue of today was that both Ed Clarke & Earl Shaw were both overlooked and will simply be listed by us as two of our rookie listed players.

I would have liked a young tall to be added to the list, but maybe Roos thinks that with LRT & Powell he has enough talent to work with until we can get a top 16 pick next year to draft a young tall.

DST

Could not agree more, it is amazing how everyone has an opinion on gun recruits they have not even seen play !

[robbieando]

Originally posted by DST
We then went for a more mature age midfielder, who has pace and endurance that can help the team straight away from round 1 next year.

Help in what way???? An outside midfielder who can't kick, that doesn't help the team in any way.

And finally, looking at what tall players were left they made a considered decision that Heath James was more of a safer bet next year playing as a back-up key defender.

Agreed, it came down to training this week and James must of put in the better show. Have no issue with selecting him.

The other key issue of today was that both Ed Clarke & Earl Shaw were both overlooked and will simply be listed by us as two of our rookie listed players.

Add Troy Bartlett to that list, who is seen by some as the better NSW kid this year.

I would have liked a young tall to be added to the list, but maybe Roos thinks that with LRT & Powell he has enough talent to work with until we can get a top 16 pick next year to draft a young tall.

It won't hurt us next season because the young tall wouldn't of played anyway, BUT in future seasons it could be any issue. Still I would think a young tall will be put on the rookie list just in case.