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  • chammond
    • Jan 2003
    • 1368

    New Rookies

    Only a few weeks to wait now . . . time to get up-to-date with player information.

    Check out RWO's latest article . . . introducing the rookies taken by the Swans at the recent draft.

  • Jeffers1984
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 4564

    #2
    Good Read. Methink Grundy will be groomed more for a KP forward role than a KP back role.
    Official Driver Of The "Who Gives A @@@@ As The Player Will Get Delisted Anyway" Bandwagon.

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    • satchmopugdog
      Bandicoots ears
      • Apr 2004
      • 3691

      #3
      Thanks for that. It was very well written and easy to read.
      "The Dog days are over, The Dog days are gone" Florence and the Machine

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      • Ajn
        Draft Scout
        • Jan 2003
        • 711

        #4
        If Swans officials could have planned it, then the result of our selections would have been pretty similar. Looks like a good mix, and if any of these talls match potential, I think we will have overcome our tall defensive problems.
        Staying ahead of the game...

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        • Barry Schneider
          On the Rookie List
          • Sep 2003
          • 530

          #5
          The rookies sound handy but how many rookies end up on the senior list and make a decent contribution?Bevan is obviously one but how many have kicked on?I'd be interested to know what the ratio is.

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          • chammond
            • Jan 2003
            • 1368

            #6
            Originally posted by Barry Schneider
            The rookies sound handy but how many rookies end up on the senior list and make a decent contribution?Bevan is obviously one but how many have kicked on?I'd be interested to know what the ratio is.
            You're right, but I'm not sure that past outcomes are valid predictors here, because clubs have only really started taking the rookie list seriously in the past few years. In Sydney's case, for example, the rookie list was pretty much an after-thought during the Eade years, and any success we had with the rookies had a large slice of blind luck involved.

            But in the past two or three seasons, the Swans (and a number of other clubs, of course) have had a clear strategy for recruitment of rookies, and Sydney have certainly made a bigger effort to get the most out of their priority picks. As a result I think we are seeing the rookie list become accepted as a genuine conduit to AFL football.

            I know it's only crystal-ball stuff, but I think this year's bunch of rookies might turn out to be a bonanza for the Swans.

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            • liz
              Veteran
              Site Admin
              • Jan 2003
              • 16739

              #7
              Freo and Melbourne are two clubs who have had particular success with the rookie list. Adelaide also have quite a few ex-rookies on their current senior list, though I'm not sure that these are as "high quality" as some of those unearthed by Freo and the Dees.

              Some names of quality players who have graduated from rookie lists (and others will be able to add to it) include:

              Rioli, Mark Johnson, Davey, Sandilands, Chad Fletcher, Robbie Haddrill, David Teague, Bret Thornton, Dean Brogan.

              There is a decent list of 3rd and 4th tier AFL players that could also be added.

              And on our own list, Kirk, Bevan, Jolly and Kennelly have all come via that route (though Kennelly is obviously a special case).

              It is another way of recruiting and adding depth. Most won't make it, but then a significant portion of those taken in the main draft won't make it either.

              Giving a second chance to those who missed out as teenagers seems to be a particularly valuable use of the list. If there is one more Brett Kirk out there, its got to be worth taking the punt.

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              • Ert
                Back
                • Jan 2003
                • 490

                #8
                Here's the complete list of current senior listed players for 2005 to have come from rookie lists

                Adelaide:
                Nathan Bassett (Melbourne)
                Nathan Bock
                Michael Doughty
                Martin Mattner
                Ben Rutten
                Hayden Skipworth
                Matthew Smith

                Brisbane:
                Robert Copeland
                Joel MacDonald
                Mal Michael (Collingwood)
                Leigh Ryswyk

                Carlton:
                Glen Bowyer (Hawthorn)
                Barnaby French (Pt Adel)
                Cory McGrath (Essendon)
                Digby Morrell (Roos)
                Ian Prendergast
                David Teague (Roos)
                Bret Thornton
                Adam Bentick
                Andrew Carrazzo

                Collingwood:
                Tarkyn Lockyer
                Nick Maxwell

                Essendon:
                Ben Haynes
                Mark Johnson
                Damien Peverill
                Dean Rioli
                Nathan Lovett-Murray

                Fremantle:
                Daniel Gilmore
                Antoni Grover
                Robert Haddrill
                Daniel Haines
                Roger Hayden
                Aaron Sandilands
                Andrew Siegert
                Luke Webster
                Steven Dodd
                Dylan Smith*

                Geelong:
                Paul Chambers
                Kent kingsley (Kangaroos)
                Jarad Rooke
                Will Slade
                Shannon Byrnes

                Hawthorn:
                Matthew Ball
                Robert Campbell
                Ben Kane
                Michael Osborne
                Brad Sewell
                Josh Thurgood

                Kangaroos:
                John Baird
                Michael Firrito
                Leigh Harding
                Daniel Pratt

                Melbourne:
                Nathan Carroll
                Mark Jamar
                James McDonald
                Russell Robertson*

                Daniel Ward
                Luke Williams
                Aaron Davey

                Port Adelaide:
                Matthew Bishop (Melbourne)
                Dean Brogan
                Peter Walsh (Melbourne)

                Richmond:
                Greg Tivendale
                Shane Tuck (Hawthorn)
                Kelvin Moore

                St Kilda:
                Trent Knobel (Brisbane)
                Stephen Milne
                Allan Murray*
                Dylan Pfitzner
                Nick Stone

                Sydney:
                Heath James*
                Darren Jolly (Melbourne)
                Tadhg Kennelly
                Brett Kirk
                Paul Bevan

                West Coast:
                Zach Beeck
                Dean Cox
                Chad Fletcher
                Kasey Green
                Brett Jones
                Mark Nicoski
                Quentin Lynch

                Western Bulldogs:
                Matthew Boyd

                * denotes delisted from a senior AFL list prior to being rookie listed
                Last edited by Benevolent Ert; 20 January 2005, 06:07 PM.

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                • Barry Schneider
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 530

                  #9
                  That's great.Thanks Ert.Plenty of handy players in that list.

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                  • footyhead
                    Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
                    • May 2003
                    • 1367

                    #10
                    I think this list is a pretty good indicator of which teams are conservative and which progressive when it comes to developing new talent.
                    The Swans are pretty low down on the list when you take out Jolly and James (who should not really be there).

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                    • timthefish
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 940

                      #11
                      Originally posted by footyhead
                      I think this list is a pretty good indicator of which teams are conservative and which progressive when it comes to developing new talent.
                      The Swans are pretty low down on the list when you take out Jolly and James (who should not really be there).
                      the low exposure to local players of quality may be a factor with the swans.
                      then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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                      • wedge.maverick
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 245

                        #12
                        More and more AFL clubs are taking the rookie draft a lot more seriously now including the Swans.In the previous years some of the NSW choices for instance have been very hopeful that they were going to come up,eg.Luke Taylor,Luke Jarjoura,Tom Hill,Peter McGrath and Scott Muller, and none of them did.From looking at Sydney's current rookies I would expect 80% of them will play AFL footy and possibly 50% playing 50 plus <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=games&v=56">games</a>.They probably had a lot of sleepless nights hoping that Clarke and Shaw would get through to the rookie draft but they did.Hayes must have shown potential with the Reserves to be taken ahead of Troy Bartlett.Campbell could be very handy due to his versatility,Vogels might be the smoky of both drafts.Garrubba could be anything as having seen him a few times his good is very good and his bad you don't want to know about,confidence could be his key.Grundy is the old fashioned footballer,he's never going to win a Stawell <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=Gift&v=56">Gift</a> but he can take a mark,play at both ends and works very hard.We now have Josh Willoughby,Tim Schmidt,Matthew Davis and Heath Grundy all South Australian's and all 19 this year,they shouldn't get homesick.All Swans supporters keep following the ACTAFL results to follow these guys as they are our future.
                        I FEEL THE NEED FOR SPEED!!!!!

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16739

                          #13
                          Originally posted by footyhead
                          I think this list is a pretty good indicator of which teams are conservative and which progressive when it comes to developing new talent.
                          The Swans are pretty low down on the list when you take out Jolly and James (who should not really be there).
                          Hmmm...the Swans are level with or ahead of Brisbane, Port and Collingwood on this front, the three teams that have collectively played the last three grand finals.

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                          • Reggi
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 2718

                            #14
                            Originally posted by footyhead
                            I think this list is a pretty good indicator of which teams are conservative and which progressive when it comes to developing new talent.
                            The Swans are pretty low down on the list when you take out Jolly and James (who should not really be there).
                            Don't agree, most of the players on other clubs lists are marginal or nowhere.

                            Noticably the WA clubs seem to have the pick of local over-looked players

                            Another way to look at it is that clubs have volume of rookie list, as a result of poor recruiting in the main draft.
                            Last edited by Reggi; 24 January 2005, 04:21 AM.
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                            • footyhead
                              Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
                              • May 2003
                              • 1367

                              #15
                              i'm just glad they took the full quota this year

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