Goodes Knee

[footyhead]

I think Adam was showing signs of a Brownlow hang over, early last year. Then of course the injury, which really meant that he was constrained and could not play with any kind of flair.
This may actually have helped his learning curve, because he does tend to get the yiiiiips when expectation of him is high. Not a lot was expected of him post injury.
If the swans are to make the top 4 I beleive we need Goodes back to (and maybe even better than) his Brownlow best.
How do we think his knee really is? Will Adam be able to really put in some aggressive games in 05??
We need him to. And I would like to see him get in touch with that arrogance I sometimes see in him.
This is a quality often associated with elite champions.
But if the Knee is not really healed it could be difficult I would imagine.

[ScottH]

Goodes actually got off to a super start against Brisbane, before injuring his ankle in that game. Except for a great running goal, he was not the same player after that incident, in that game or many games after that.

Then there was the first of two knee injuries, which basically put him out of the game. he struggled for confidence in his ability and his body.

I have not heard much about his knee recently, but after talking to him late last year, he was confident that his knees would be much better after some well deserved rest, and some rehabilitaion.

And yes, if he was playing at brownlow medal form, we may well have beaten St Kilda, last year and who knows where we could have finished.

Arrogance = Confidence.

[liz]

Re: Goodes Knee

Originally posted by footyhead
But if the Knee is not really healed it could be difficult I would imagine.

As has been discussed on here several times, the knee is not going to heal, per se. He just needs to learn to play with it as it is.

[cressakel]

Re: Re: Goodes Knee

Originally posted by liz
As has been discussed on here several times, the knee is not going to heal, per se. He just needs to learn to play with it as it is.

Knees DO heal better after operations, contrary to your belief. If I am not mistaken, Goodes had both knees operated on after the season finished.

Doctors actually advise, and most modern day AFL footballers (and sportspeople in general) can verify to this, that reconstructed and/or minor knee operations make the knee stronger than nature previously intended, due to the extra ligament/s inserted around the knee joints.

Therefore, IF Goodesy did have both knees operated on post-season, I see no reason why has to "learn to play with it" and is not back to his best circa 2003.

[DST]

Re: Re: Goodes Knee

Originally posted by liz
As has been discussed on here several times, the knee is not going to heal, per se. He just needs to learn to play with it as it is.

It was more a case of that he could not do any further damage playing with the particular knee injuries he had. So they decided to keep playing on and clean it up at years end.

Ultimately surgery and rest will help with the problems. But in future he will be more of a chance to do this type of injury again.

DST

[liz]

At the time he incurred the injury, there were many articles written about this type of injury.

Unless there have been advances in surgical knee procedures in the past 6 months, there is no procedure that will mend a small tear in a posterior cruciate ligament. This is the injury that Goodes sustained.

There are procedures - with only a moderate success rate - that can improve a more badly torn ligament, but only to about the level that Goodes' knee was - or was reported as being at the time.

Rest, operations to clear up any peripheral damage, and reconditioning of other muscles to help stablise the knee will all help. But the posterior cruciate will not return to its former state.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/17/1084783457193.html?from=storylhs

"The news is that it's damage to the posterior cruciate ligament, which doesn't heal, so it's always going to be damaged," he said. "In terms of getting back and playing . . . there's no time limit on it. Look at Leo Barry, he was out for eight weeks [with a similar injury], when you compare to Jared Crouch who . . . didn't miss a game.

[cressakel]

Originally posted by liz
At the time he incurred the injury, there were many articles written about this type of injury.

Unless there have been advances in surgical knee procedures in the past 6 months, there is no procedure that will mend a small tear in a posterior cruciate ligament. This is the injury that Goodes sustained.

There are procedures - with only a moderate success rate - that can improve a more badly torn ligament, but only to about the level that Goodes' knee was - or was reported as being at the time.

Rest, operations to clear up any peripheral damage, and reconditioning of other muscles to help stablise the knee will all help. But the posterior cruciate will not return to its former state.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/17/1084783457193.html?from=storylhs

"The news is that it's damage to the posterior cruciate ligament, which doesn't heal, so it's always going to be damaged," he said. "In terms of getting back and playing . . . there's no time limit on it. Look at Leo Barry, he was out for eight weeks [with a similar injury], when you compare to Jared Crouch who . . . didn't miss a game.

Fair enough, he'll be alright though, as I think it is the mind more than physical ailments that dictates Goodesy's performances on a weekly basis....

Up there with Judd and Tivendale (joking...) as no better sight to watch in AFL footy when on fire.

[footyhead]

It's good to see the spirit of Nazism alive and well on these boards. Self righteousness and human beings to all intents and purposes, just seem to be inseparable.
Many otherwise inteligent and educated people never miss an opportunity to figuratively kick a fellow contributor in the head.
In fact many think it rather clever to do so while concurrently fulfilling the obligations of the thread at hand.
Well ladies and gentlmen, it was not funny to be a Nazi in 1939 and it is still not funny to be a Nazi in 2005!!!
Please , please just stop being Nazis. Naughty... naughty.. naughty little Nazis!
Signed : a member of the resistance.

[cressakel]

Originally posted by footyhead
It's good to see the spirit of Nazism alive and well on these boards. Self righteousness and human beings to all intents and purposes, just seem to be inseparable.
Many otherwise inteligent and educated people never miss an opportunity to figuratively kick a fellow contributor in the head.
In fact many think it rather clever to do so while concurrently fulfilling the obligations of the thread at hand.
Well ladies and gentlmen, it was not funny to be a Nazi in 1939 and it is still not funny to be a Nazi in 2005!!!
Please , please just stop being Nazis. Naughty... naughty.. naughty little Nazis!

Too many ism's, don't you think.....

Let's hope there is a flagism for the Swannies this year and Brownlowism again for Goodesy this season.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by footyhead
It's good to see the spirit of Nazism alive and well on these boards. Self righteousness and human beings to all intents and purposes, just seem to be inseparable.
Many otherwise inteligent and educated people never miss an opportunity to figuratively kick a fellow contributor in the head.
In fact many think it rather clever to do so while concurrently fulfilling the obligations of the thread at hand.
Well ladies and gentlmen, it was not funny to be a Nazi in 1939 and it is still not funny to be a Nazi in 2005!!!
Please , please just stop being Nazis. Naughty... naughty.. naughty little Nazis!
Signed : a member of the resistance.

What a load of tripe, but thats nothing new with you FH. Why shouldn't someone correct someone when a mistake is made if we have the information at hand?? I think you just don't like the fact people on here challenge your views every single time and use facts to back themselves up. After all you surely aren't suggesting that we on this board encourage mistake making and the use of lies?? Otherwise what would be the point?

[mikesmi]

goodes Knee

i heard on the radio after 4.00 this afternoon, that goodes trained and ran without any pain.

[Chubby Muffler]

IMO, Goodes did not have the physical ability to run much at all last year. In fact, one of the worst sights I saw was him almost hobbling on what looked like BOTH knees towards the end of the season. Hangover, maybe but there was no way way he was 100% last year. I really hope he is fit and Ok this year, then I am sure FH that you will be enjoying the spectacle again.

The guy rocks when 100% fit on on his game.

[benny_w]

Adam had surgery on his knees in the off-season and he will be fit for Round 1

[Snowy]

Broken bones often heal stronger but knee reconstructions don't necessarily. The way they do it these days the graft is always vulnerable to being re-injured. They use the hamstring tendon generally and it's not the same as the original ligament. Also places pressure on the hammies though this varies from case to case.

[Bas]

Re: goodes Knee

Originally posted by mikesmi
i heard on the radio after 4.00 this afternoon, that goodes trained and ran without any pain.

Heard the same on 2UE at 5pm. He said that it was the first time in 9 months that he's run without any pain. Good(es) sign!