Ed Clarke

[Jeffers1984]

Both Jarred Moore (who has very nice balance) and Clarke did impress me today. And to think we still have Willoughby and Schmidt in the mix as well.....

[Nico]

Vogels is listed as one of the best in the Herald Sun. Anyone got an opinion on his effort.

[Jeffers1984]

Originally posted by Nico
Vogels is listed as one of the best in the Herald Sun. Anyone got an opinion on his effort. Preferably from a male thanks, given that most of the females on this site probably had their eyes firmly on Adam Schneider's butt.

first impressions on vogels is that he is a very hard working lead who took a few nice one grab marks. Was a bit rushed sometimes but i guess thats due to the fact that he was really trying to impress for the wizzer cup which im sure he'll play.

Maybe going to be groomed as our next CHF?

And Liz i agree with you on a point in another thread, Grundy is alot shorter than i thought, but he has a very nice size on him.

300th post...yeeeer

[benny_w]

Hey Eirrin

Earl Shaw didn't play last night. i will catch up with him at the Swans Fan day at Richmond tomorrow. LRT looked ok last night but on a couple of occasions he couldn't make a decision on what to do with the football and he did kick it to the opposition.

[OldE]

I was sure Earl played in the last few minutes- #45. Because it was a young ruckman, it wasn't certainly wasn't Jolly or Doyle, and it wasn't Ericksen. And it did look like Shaw.

[Jeffers1984]

Eirinn is right, shaw did play. #45

[ugg]

There was definitely a #45 running out there in the ruck for us, and since that's Shaw's number I would say he played.

Vogels is a big lad who I think could slot in at a key position if a few injuries occured during the season. Lined up at FF or abouts for most of the time he was on.

[monopoly19]

Did Andrew Hayes play?

[OldE]

I think I remember seeing #48 running around, toward the end of the game, but I didn't notice much about him.

[liz]

Yes, Hayes and Shaw both got some game time in the second half. Shaw got to do a little of the centre ruckwork. Hayes was in the forward line, presenting well and working enthusiastically without actually doing anything of note.

[peterh_oz]

Originally posted by Mike_B
With regards to LRT, from those who were at the game tonight, do his disposal skills seem to have improved, because IMHO his kicking in particular is (was?) a real weakness in his game and could be a liability down back if he cant hit targets up the ground.

His decision making is still as slow as Parramatta Rd in Haberfield @ 8.15am. Or a wet week. Or a turtle. You get the idea ...

IMHO this will always be his weakness, and will never improve. Hestarted paying footy only a couple of yrs ago. His opponents (and team mates) have a 10yr start on him ... Even PK was about 13 when he started footy. 16-17 is too old.

[liz]

Originally posted by peterh_oz
His decision making is still as slow as Parramatta Rd in Haberfield @ 8.15am. Or a wet week. Or a turtle. You get the idea ...

IMHO this will always be his weakness, and will never improve. Hestarted paying footy only a couple of yrs ago. His opponents (and team mates) have a 10yr start on him ... Even PK was about 13 when he started footy. 16-17 is too old.

Except that when he plays on instinctively he, more often than not, makes a good choice. It's only when he stops and thinks that he takes for ever.

Surely there must be training drills that will help him make decisions from stationary situations more quickly and more confidently?

[footyhead]

Originally posted by peterh_oz


IMHO this will always be his weakness, and will never improve. ... Even PK was about 13 when he started footy. 16-17 is too old.

This is where you are wrong my friend I have just three words for you :

Talent, confidence , Kenneally.

Grow a brain give the kid a chance - I would like to see you trying to hold down CHB...!!

[undy]

Originally posted by Nico
Vogels is listed as one of the best in the Herald Sun. Anyone got an opinion on his effort.

He was great, he put in a lot of effort and looked comfortable at this level. I'm not sure who his direct opponents were (all these Victorians look the same to me), but for an 18(?) year old he was outstanding.

I thought he was clearly the best of the unestablished players... but then he did spend a fair bit of game time near us. He's a decent size too.

[Bart]

Originally posted by footyhead
I would like to see you trying to hold down CHB...!!

Jeez, FH, this is the last comment I would have expected from you. It @@@@s me when someone says 'I'd like to see you do better' when comparing a mere mortal to an elite athlete. You surely know PeterH by sight. His chances of securing CHB with an AFL team are probably past him at this stage, but his opportunity to give and insight into a player isn't, particulalry as he has seen this kid's development well before he was picked up by Sydney.