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  • penga
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2003
    • 2601

    plugger on BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBH



    Plugger: Hall of fame beckons
    11 April 2003 Herald Sun
    AAP

    A NEW attitude is all that stands between Sydney spearhead Barry Hall and the game's elite, according to goalkicking great Tony Lockett.

    "He has got unlimited ability, Barry Hall. He probably doesn't realise himself how good he could be," Lockett said ahead of the Swans' clash with Adelaide at the SCG on Sunday.

    "If he can just learn to change a couple of little things in his game, he could be one of the best."

    Speaking at the launch of former Swans captain Paul Kelly's autobiography in Sydney yesterday, Lockett said the key for Hall was to not get sucked in by opponents.

    "His whole game is terrific, he's got presence," Lockett said.

    "There wouldn't be a backman in the league that would want to play on him. They might say they do, but deep down I don't reckon they do.

    "So all of a sudden he's always got an advantage over his opponent.

    "He just needs to make that a positive not a negative, don't get sucked in by them, by the tactics.

    "The way he plays, he's going to get decisions against him as far as umpires, I was the same myself.

    "Once he learns to tone that down a little bit and put all his energy in the right areas, he could be a very special footballer."

    Lockett said Sydney had to beat the Crows to get their season back on track.

    "It's very important for the club to come out and win this week and be 2-1," he said. "You wouldn't want to see one win and two losses after three rounds. We really need to fight back now.

    "We get a win this week and it goes a hell of a long way in fuelling the confidence amongst all the players."

    But the Swans' inexperience following the retirement of players like Kelly and Lockett could give rise to some erratic form.

    Kelly believes inconsistency is something Sydney fans may have to get used to this year.

    "I think we're going to have a season like we've already had in two rounds, we were real good one week and not so good the next," he said yesterday.

    "That's what you get with a younger group.

    "Hopefully some of the players come on a little bit quicker than what we expect and we might be a bit better than that, but I think that's where we're going to be."
    C'mon Chels!
  • penga
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2003
    • 2601

    #2
    Re: plugger on BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBH

    Originally posted by penga
    Kelly believes inconsistency is something Sydney fans may have to get used to this year.
    isnt that what we have got used to over the years???

    i think bazza does has the potential to step up! imo, i think his overall game is better than plugger's ie he's way more versatile!
    C'mon Chels!

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    • NMWBloods
      Taking Refuge!!
      • Jan 2003
      • 15819

      #3
      Re: Re: plugger on BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBH

      isnt that what we have got used to over the years???
      Put up with, but never get used to!!

      i think bazza does has the potential to step up! imo, i think his overall game is better than plugger's ie he's way more versatile!
      In what way?
      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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      • desredandwhite
        Click!
        • Jan 2003
        • 2498

        #4
        I reckon Barry can play a few more positions than Plugger - thing is, Lockett was SO GOOD at being a full forward, you hardly needed him elsewhere

        Barry's not as good a mark, or kick - but his work off the ground is phenomenal for such a big, ugly boke.

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        • TheMase
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2003
          • 1207

          #5
          Originally posted by desredandwhite
          I reckon Barry can play a few more positions than Plugger - thing is, Lockett was SO GOOD at being a full forward, you hardly needed him elsewhere

          Barry's not as good a mark, or kick - but his work off the ground is phenomenal for such a big, ugly boke.
          Depends which kick you're talking about. At goal, certainly not (although I do like his action more ). But his general kicking and ability to pinpoint players is second to none.

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          • penga
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2003
            • 2601

            #6
            bazza's vision for his teamates is about 700% of what plugger had, id like an assist stat brought into footy, u might see how many he actually sets up

            bazza, imo should improve his catching and get a bit of a longer kick and he should be pretty right... i like it when he does actually kick for goal he has a lot lower trajectory than most, if he can get that radar right he will be a beautiful kick for goal
            C'mon Chels!

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            • Mike_B
              Peyow Peyow
              • Jan 2003
              • 6267

              #7
              Don't underestimate just how good Plugger was at ground level at his best either - for a guy his size, his touch was brilliant with balls around his ankles.

              If we were to discover some extra spearheads in front of goal, if the situation required, BBBH could be used at CHB (St Kilda used him there occasionally).

              Trying to compare BBBH with Plugger is a bit difficult overall IMHO, just because they played very different types of games, so I personally won't bother and just say I'm happy to have had 2 outstanding polayers playing for SFC in recent times.

              I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

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              • Charlie
                On the Rookie List
                • Jan 2003
                • 4101

                #8
                There is one glaring weakness in BBBH's game, and he won't be an elite player until he fixes it up... his overhead marking is atrocious.

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                • NMWBloods
                  Taking Refuge!!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15819

                  #9
                  Originally posted by penga
                  bazza's vision for his teamates is about 700% of what plugger had, id like an assist stat brought into footy, u might see how many he actually sets up
                  That's not true. Plugger was very good at assist goals, however he was also better than BBBH at kicking them, and had less assistance in his forward line for a lot of his career.

                  I think a lot of people underestimate Plugger. He could easily have played a variety of positions, however why would you move one of the greatest full forwards to every play the game. He was just as mobile and quick as BBBH when he was younger, and had excellent touch and kicking ability.
                  Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                  "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                  • Cheer Cheer
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 934

                    #10
                    Imo , I reckon gaining the services of bbbh to sydney is just about as big as gaining plugger to sydney back in 95.
                    He means more to the side currently than I think more people realise.
                    Plugger was spot on in his comments.
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                    • penga
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2601

                      #11
                      im not downplaying plugger at all, i just personally like bazza a bit better... thats my opinion only however... i realise that plugger has a few more runs on the board
                      C'mon Chels!

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        #12
                        Originally posted by penga
                        im not downplaying plugger at all, i just personally like bazza a bit better... thats my opinion only however... i realise that plugger has a few more runs on the board
                        No biggy - but it depends on whether you saw him in his early StKilda days - amazing to watch!
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • Dpw
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 829

                          #13
                          Don't undersestimate how versatile Plugger was, I will never forget the game were the rampageing Eagles came againist the usually dissapointing Saints and Plugger started in the ruck killed them for the first five minutes (before he was moved back to FF) and were up bye 3 or 4 goals the Eagles just didn't know what to do he won every knock and roamed around like he owened the joint of course once the Eagles re-adjusted it was all over. But just an example of what the great man was capable of I doubt Hall(who I rate) will ever have that sort of presence.

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                          • JF_Bay22_SCG
                            expat Sydneysider
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 3978

                            #14
                            I don't think Barry Hall has any right to even be considered on the same scale as Tony Lockett. Lockett was a champion, Barry Hall is an OK player who can play well, but seeing him every week from close up I still feel he has a great great deal of improvement in his skills, let alone for lapses in discipline.

                            First Plugger always kicked through the ball when he was shooting for goals. He rarely missed gettable ones from a set shot. You look at Barry; he can get very very lazy with his kicking from a set shot from about 20-30 metres out. Often he stabs at the ball, often it misses, for a team that lost 9 games under 10 points last year it could be deemed that these lapses in basic kicking technique/application have been highly costly.

                            Unlike Plugger, Barry spends all of his time playing for frees. I know Plugger simply couldn't buy one when he was playing. But at least he wasn't being a prima donna and worrying about things like that all the time. Especially when there was a teammate he could flip out a quick disposal to. Seriously, you watch Hall tomorrow and how often he starts flapping his arms around at the umps in a Richardsonesque tantrum.

                            I'm not saying Hall isn't a good player. And I'm not saying that he isn't capable of leading the goalkicking one year. I just thought Plugger was a more wholehearted honest footy player than Hall ever will be. Plugger is a out and out champion, Hall is just a good forward. Who could be A LOT BETTER!

                            JF
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