Momentum vs Kids

[ugg]

I wonder where Jolly is going to fit in the side when everyone is fit. All 3 ruckmen (Ball, Doyle and Jolly) rucked today and I'd definitely rate Doyle and Ball's efforts above Jolly's. Can we really play 3 ruckmen in the same team along with the other KPPs?

[swan_song]

I thought that when Ball was in the ruck was perhaps the only time when we looked dangerous, if that is a word that could be used in the context of today's game.
After watching the Bullies defeat the boozers last night I thought our effort against the doggies had risen in hindsight in my mind, filling me with a bit of optimism for today....after all, Willo, Maxie, Tadhg, Ball, Hall, shd have bolstered the side, and we usually play well against the Lions...what a difference a day makes!!!!

At the moment I couldn't find a place for Jolly in our starting 22 for round one, but I doubt the match committee will feel the same about our star recruit, and I hope they are right!

[timthefish]

Originally posted by ugg
Can we really play 3 ruckmen in the same team along with the other KPPs?

i don't think that is the plan, but with ball's age and doyles injury history, i'll put $100 down now on jolly playing in 8 matches at least.

[sharp9]

At the mometn Spriggs and Jolly are no chance to play in Rd 1

As you can see from my team here (with very conservative postions...ie no Kennelly in midfield, Barry on a Key Forward as James is not quite working.

Five midfielders - Williams, Kirk, J. Bolton, McVeigh, Maxfield,

Two Tall Backs - Barry, Roberts - Thomson

Two Medium Backs - Kennelly, C. Bolton

Two Small Backs - Bevan, Mathews

Two Small Forwards - Buchanan, N.Davis

Two Medium Forwards - Goodes, O'Keefe

Two Tall Forwards - Hall, O'Loughlin

One Ruckman - Ball

Bench

One Ruckman/Tall Forward - Doyle
One Medium - Nicks
Two Smalls - Schneider, Ablett

As for the next most likely players Jolly would not get a game ahead of Saddington, James, Dempster or Vogels as either a tall forward or Back.

Spriggs would have to be lagging behind Willoughby and Moore, whilst Fosdike has probably played his last game.

Very dissapointing to use pick 15 on a player with no physical presence who is not much of a ruck, doesn't take much of a grab and has below average kicking with waaaay below average hand skills. Excuse me???

[TheHood]

Fossy was poor. Played with none of the composure of a player of his vintage.

Jamesy, well his procrastination is seeing him sink into the quicksand of AFL oblivion. Is afraid to back himself and the injury excuse is officially "old".

Spriggs may not be brilliant but he has a fair bit of guts and is at least hungry to prove himself, something Fossy aint.

[Sid]

Originally posted by timthefish
i don't think that is the plan, but with ball's age and doyles injury history, i'll put $100 down now on jolly playing in 8 matches at least.

I reckon we will play all 3 ruckmen despite jolly's poor efforts. He did get his hands on the ball numerous times and tapped it to the wrong person, but in time, i can see him play well. For one, he seems very enthusiastic not only mentally but physically.

By having 3 ruckman, we can have a good rotating policy between them on the field so that they can rest on the forward line.

[Jeffers1984]

Originally posted by Sid
I reckon we will play all 3 ruckmen despite jolly's poor efforts. He did get his hands on the ball numerous times and tapped it to the wrong person, but in time, i can see him play well. For one, he seems very enthusiastic not only mentally but physically.

Yep i think we'll play the 3 ruckman as well, all of which rotating from FF,Ruck to bench..Me thinks Doyle will be up forward first game with ball in Ruck and Jolly on the bench.

RE: Fossie, definately behind spriggs now in the pecking order. Terrible game to play on his 24th or 25th birthday yesterday.

[Sid]

Spriggs is definitely not magic but i see him as a regular in our side. He definitely seems to have the skills and the fitness.

LRT played very well and could come in handy in our defence.

Im getting a bit sick of james. There were some small mistakes he made which cost some goals. I agree with a mate when I say hes not going to be a FB but only a fill in when someones injured.

[Mark]

We will really miss Ball when he retires, he makes such a difference to our side. Doyle is progressing nicely but at this stage cannot hold a candle to Balls work around the ground both marking and as a link man. He is often first or second reciever of a hand ball which gives us our run.

He really is the modern day ruck package

[liz]

Originally posted by sharp9

Spriggs would have to be lagging behind Willoughby and Moore, whilst Fosdike has probably played his last game.

I'd be amazed if Spriggs were behind either Willoughby or Moore at the moment in Roos' eyes. Neither has the ability to run all day around the midfield for a start, and at the moment is looks like Willoughby is being groomed to start his career in defence.

Ablett will be struggling to make round 1 given that he's not had much of a pre-season and has yet to play a game. If he were an established player you'd probably back him to come in but he's one of those dozen players fighting for 6 or 7 spots in the team.

As for Jolly, let's give him a little more time before labelling him a dud. In particular, we need to wait to see him play in a team that actually resembles a football team rather than a mismash of players who look as if they've never met before. There is not a single one of our established senior players who has played a good game in the past fortnight, with just Nicks and O'Keefe mustering a 'pass' grade for their games last week.

[ugg]

I doubt Moore will play in round 1, I think the Swans would like him to build up his aerobic capacity. He looked really out of breath each time he came off yesterday.

[timthefish]

Originally posted by ugg
I doubt Moore will play in round 1, I think the Swans would like him to build up his aerobic capacity. He looked really out of breath each time he came off yesterday.

he'll definitely be playing off the bench for a while, but i wouldn't be surprised if they've got a lot of hope in this kid.

[LittleSchneider]

I agree with the comments made about Heath James.

I thought against the Dogs he made some really poor decisions and this resulted in some goals being kicked at point blank by the opposition. He did some dumb things and basically didnt do anything, in my eyes, to warrant a place come round 1.

And again yesterday - he did some dumb things - kicking to people in a contest in the center sqaure is basically suicidial! He's defending was poor and his decision making was poorer.

[liz]

Originally posted by LittleSchneider


I thought against the Dogs he made some really poor decisions and this resulted in some goals being kicked at point blank by the opposition. He did some dumb things and basically didnt do anything, in my eyes, to warrant a place come round 1.

He made a couple of poor errors but otherwise probably took the points against Grant. The Bolton boys made equally poor errors at least as frequently.

He did look a bit at sea yesterday, but then the whole team was a shambles.

Schauble looks likely to miss the start of the season so it is likely to come to a choice between James or sacrificing Leo to play at FB.

The only other potential for FB is Campbell but he still looks to be finding his feet at AFL level - James is clearly a better option at the moment.

[Mark]

Originally posted by liz
He made a couple of poor errors but otherwise probably took the points against Grant. The Bolton boys made equally poor errors at least as frequently.

He did look a bit at sea yesterday, but then the whole team was a shambles.

Schauble looks likely to miss the start of the season so it is likely to come to a choice between James or sacrificing Leo to play at FB.

The only other potential for FB is Campbell but he still looks to be finding his feet at AFL level - James is clearly a better option at the moment.

With LRT likely to start i guess Leo could well be the FB, suspect James to cover from bench, but few games yet to work it out.