Now that season 2005 is upoun us, this final thought.

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  • footyhead
    Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
    • May 2003
    • 1367

    Now that season 2005 is upoun us, this final thought.

    Now that season 2005 is almost upon us I would like to pose a scenario to the members of RWO.
    Obviously we all hope that the Swans go on and have a fantastic season, winning the flag would just be marvelous for the club and for the city of Sydney.

    However, based on the admission by coach Roos and members of the Swans board that the club cannot afford to slide down the ladder, in any attempted rebuild of the football list, I wonder what will happen if this year the Swans do in fact achieve the unthinkable and drop out of the final 8.
    Will the current administration and their policy of "make the finals at all cost", be seen as sensible ? Or will there be a feeling of lost opportunity (under the new regime of Paul Roos )to really set the club up for a different kind of success ?
    I am afraid that the Swans have been held hostage by a number of groups and a number of problems. Chief amongst these has been the great pressure to merly survive in a hostile environment. Also the low expectations of some of the Swans original instigators into the Sydney market. Is it time that the Swans out grew such lowly measures of success ?
    For both the AFL and old South Melbourne supporters, the bottom line is the basic survival of the Swans as an entity in Sydney. Coming out of defensive reasoning, any sort of finals action is a lot better than what the alternative could have been. In South Melbourne's case oblivion, in the AFL's case no Australian rules presence in Sydney!
    Now both these groups may be reasonably satisfied by the current situation, even if the Swans do not make the finals this year. The Swans administration can go to the heroes of old South Melbourne, as well as to the AFL and point to the record of success over the last 10 years.
    However, for the city of Sydney and for those of us who would like to see the club unshackled from the restraints of mediocrity, close enough is no where near good enough.
    Those of us who know Sydney know that when this city puts it's mind to it, anything can happen. I will cite the 2000 olympics as only one example (the best olympics ever!). That is why I am calling for the Swans to allow themselves to be taken over by Sydney. As opposed to the Swans taking over Sydney.
    If Sydney as a city is given a chance to really be intelligently and democratically involved in the running of the Sydney Swans, the public will be more than happy to put up with a couple of years of hardship on the field, as long as the makings of an extraordinary team are unearthed at the end of that process.
    I know there are a large number of Swans followers both here on RWO and in general who will shout and complain at these suggestions, many of them are happy with the status quo of Swans survival, for the reasons that I mentioned above. Yet they say they want real success.
    The city of Sydney however can not allow the current situation to go on. Unless this year brings at the very least a top 4 finish, then the policies of paranoia must be overturned by the demands of the Sydney football going public for a truly great team no matter what the short term costs.
    To this end I encourage all Swans supporters who live in Sydney (and especially those who participate on RWO), to keep on agitating for a revolution of footballing culture at the Swans.
    Please demand a great footballing team and do not except the excuses of those whose great sufferings in the past, through the almost total extinction of their team has made them excepting of the mediocrity that the AFL and the current Swans board has served up more than 65% of the time.
    It is common knowledge that the Swans face less criticism in Sydney than other teams do in their own home towns. I believe this is because they are still not perceived of as "us" yet in Sydney. Criticism is never welcomed, but I believe that more criticism and higher demands set by the people and press of Sydney are what is now required to spur the Swans on to truly great success.
    I call upon all true SYDNEY SWANS supporters, the public and the press to fight for a better footballing team and culture amongst the Swans.
    We must never stop till we can truly have pride in knowing that Sydney has one of the best Aussie Rules footballing cultures in the land.
    Thank you.
    Last edited by footyhead; 22 March 2005, 03:56 PM.
  • Sanecow
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Mar 2003
    • 6917

    #2
    Re: Now that season 2005 is upoun us, this final thought.

    Originally posted by footyhead
    That is why I am calling for the Swans to allow themselves to be taken over by Sydney.
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    • mocaholic
      Regular in the Side
      • Oct 2003
      • 575

      #3
      Re: Now that season 2005 is upoun us, this final thought.

      Originally posted by footyhead
      <Cue standard dribble espoused by the St. Kilda supporter who masquerades as a Swan>
      Thank you.
      You're welcome.

      Have you finished? Finally?

      Goodo.

      I am an 'old South Melb' supporter. I want a flag. Are you saying that the only 'true Swans fan' is one that agrees with you? (A St. Kilda supporter?)

      Oh bugger it I just couldn't be bothered.
      Insert Your Life [HERE]

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      • Mark
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Jan 2003
        • 578

        #4
        Re: Now that season 2005 is upoun us, this final thought.

        Originally posted by footyhead
        If Sydney as a city is given a chance to really be intelligently and democratically involved in the running of the Sydney Swans, the public will be more than happy to put up with a couple of years of hardship on the field, as long as the makings of an extraordinary team are unearthed at the end of that process.
        How about some member elected board appointments ?

        I guess there is always the chance that the vast majority of members are happy with the current management and dont care, and only a small minority will bother to vote tho.

        An even then some self serving wannabes will probably dispute the vote !

        NAH NEVER HAPPEN !!!!

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        • Barry Schneider
          On the Rookie List
          • Sep 2003
          • 530

          #5
          Footyhead,
          You are great on the motherhood statements but short on how the Swans go about revolutionising this so called mediocrity.
          Are you proposing we clear out every player over 30 plus blokes like Fosdike and Jude Bolton, play kids, not make the eight for a few years,get good draft picks and then be on the path to success or is there some other way.Not many top players change clubs these days so we can't bank on that helping us.
          I think our recruiting leaves a bit to be desired but that could be due to club policy to keep the Swans in the eight.
          I am not criticising your desire for success but I would like to know how you would go about changing things.

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          • Nico
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 11328

            #6
            Those of us who know Sydney know that when this city puts it's mind to it, anything can happen. I will cite the 2000 olympics as only one example (the best olympics ever!).


            And of course the Gay Mardegras.

            We all know that Sydney is the centre of the universe, and a flag is ineveitable regardless of recruiting and management skills, (how dare it not happen) so why don't we all just sit back and let it happen. It's bound to, it is written in the Sydney Constitution.
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            • chammond
              • Jan 2003
              • 1368

              #7
              Re: Now that season 2005 is upoun us, this final thought.

              Originally posted by footyhead
              Now that season 2005 is upoun us, this final thought.
              Are you going to keep your promise this time?

              If so, farewell . . . .

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              • footyhead
                Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
                • May 2003
                • 1367

                #8
                Originally posted by Barry Schneider
                Footyhead,

                I am not criticising your desire for success but I would like to know how you would go about changing things.
                All I am saying is that if this year does not go well, it is time for the SYDNEY Swans supporters to wake up to themselves and realise that they have it in their power to overcome their predessesors, who have held a distant but heavy hand over this clubs fortunes for far to long. It is time for the club to become more Sydney and less Melbourne.
                But most of all it is time for a bit of real indignation within the club at the amount of apathey and lack of footballing administrative creativity that has plagued this club for so long.
                I am speaking firstly as a Sydney sider who thinks Sydney deserves a "great" Austrlian Rules Footballing team. As yet we do not have one, but we can always hope at the beginning of the new season that this year will prove the reversal of our fortunes. Good luck.

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                • Ert
                  Back
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 490

                  #9
                  When the club first moved to Sydney, it went to great lengths to cut it's Melbourne ties and establish itself a a SYDNEY only club. This was a disasterous failure. The club was on it's knees and was a hair's breadth from extinction - the AFL were ready to pull the plug on the Sydney experiment. The club was a shambles, and no player wanted to come here. Remember 1993? Or have you only been a fan since 1996?

                  As for this bottoming out to become successful theory, here is a list of the last 10 premiership sides:

                  Port Adelaide
                  Brisbane
                  Brisbane
                  Brisbane
                  Essendon
                  Kangaroos
                  Adelaide
                  Adelaide
                  Kangaroos
                  Carlton

                  Dare to tell me which of these clubs acheived their success by "bottoming out" for a few years???

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                  • footyhead
                    Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
                    • May 2003
                    • 1367

                    #10
                    Like most readers here you only summise what you want.
                    Who said anything about bottoming out ?
                    There is a big differance between bottoming out and being satisfied with playing well in the first or second week of the finals.
                    There is a big differance between the Swans and all the other teams on that list. Their culture. Those teams know how to go all the way.
                    But to answer your question.
                    The Lions, so at least 3 of the last ten premeirships where won by bottomed out teams, plus port were allowed a whole bunch of SA players upoun signing up to the AFL, and the Roos had a thorough rebuild at the time of Carey's signing, and adelaide were a pretty much completly rebuilt team, being a new team in the AFL themselves.
                    So thats 4 of a possible 6 teams that have been truely rebuilt teams who have gone on to win the flag in the last 10 years.
                    But you miss the point. Goodluck.

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                    • robbieando
                      The King
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2750

                      #11
                      Originally posted by footyhead
                      Who said anything about bottoming out ?
                      You have many many many times. You want the Swans to follow the lead of the club you really support (St Kilda) and tank the next five seasons, grab early draft picks and go from there.

                      The Lions, so at least 3 of the last ten premeirships where won by bottomed out teams
                      One year out of the finals in a decade doesn't equal bottoming out. Plus the year they finished out of the finals they used their concessions as a result of finishing bottom to draft Des Headland and David Calthorpe both of whom played in a total of ONE premiership of the Lion's 3 in a row.

                      plus port were allowed a whole bunch of SA players upoun signing up to the AFL
                      That's not bottoming out

                      and the Roos had a thorough rebuild at the time of Carey's signing
                      No they weren't

                      and adelaide were a pretty much completly rebuilt team, being a new team in the AFL themselves.
                      Still not bottoming out

                      So thats 4 of a possible 6 teams that have been truely rebuilt teams who have gone on to win the flag in the last 10 years.
                      I read it 0 out 10, because your facts are WRONG.

                      Still I find it a bit rich that a St Kilda fan has the nerve to complain about the way the Swans go about their business considering the Swans have more premierships than St Kilda.

                      But you miss the point.
                      How can we miss the point when your wrong about the point in issue in the first place????
                      Last edited by robbieando; 22 March 2005, 07:06 PM.
                      Once was, now elsewhere

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                      • robbieando
                        The King
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 2750

                        #12
                        Originally posted by footyhead
                        It is time for the club to become more Sydney and less Melbourne.
                        Bit rich coming from a relocated Victorian who follows St Kilda
                        Once was, now elsewhere

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                        • Nico
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 11328

                          #13
                          You are really struggling tonight Footyhead.

                          You need a Bex and a good lie down right now. Get that hot poultice out and whack it on the cruet.
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                          • DST
                            The voice of reason!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 2705

                            #14
                            Bottoming out for draft picks to rebuild the team is a cheap way of going about it. You may get one good season out of five but it does nothing to build a stronger club for the future.

                            For all it current flavour of the month St Kilda has done nothing.

                            Yes they have a team to win a premiership in the next couple of years but the real test for them as a club will come in 10 years time, once they have turned over the current players and had no access to concessions to replenish their list. If they are still a genuine premiership threat after years at the top they will have turned the club around.

                            As for our club, it's all about respect.

                            Respect from the general public of Sydney that they follow a club that prides itself on getting the best out of themselves no matter what.

                            Respect from the greater football community that everytime they come up against us they they will be met by the fiercest challenge every step of the way. That's on the field, in the front office, boardroom & football department.

                            Since 1994 the club has gone a long way to establishing the base we need to earn this respect, IMHO success will now follow.

                            DST
                            "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                            • footyhead
                              Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
                              • May 2003
                              • 1367

                              #15
                              Originally posted by robbieando
                              Bit rich coming from a relocated Victorian who follows St Kilda
                              You know nothing about me, I am shocked at the audacity of your proposal. Neither am I a St.Kilda fan nor am I a Victorian.
                              I did spend time in melbourne, my mother is from there, but I was born in the Royal North Shore Hospital, grew up in western Sydney, and relocated to the Riverina for a short time in my youth.
                              I suggest you get YOUR facts straight you cheeky twat!

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