Baz and the umpires

[liz]

Doesn't say much but the following comment is interesting (not just in relation to Hall)

"If someone has infringed high, and there's no noticeable reaction from Barry, we're not sure it was a free kick and so it might not be paid."

This seems to suggest that players acting up after incidental contact can win them unwarranted frees, and that the umpires do "guess" what happened at times, rather than just rely on what they actually saw.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,12629670%255E20322,00.html

[footyhead]

How can they live with themselves ?

[ScottH]

Well, its simple, he just needs to trip himself up all the time and he'll be guaranteed a kick or to for free.

[stellation]

Interestingly it did actually improve in overall free kicks last year (which suprises me 'cause I don't recall it being much better!).

Frf/Fra

Barry Hall
2003 24 games: 9/32
2004 24 games: 20/34

Matthew Lloyd
2003 24 games: 18/18
2004 24 games: 29/24

Warren Tredrea
2003 23 games: 23/18
2004 25 games: 29/15

Fraser Gehrig
2003 21 games: 17/23
2004 23 games: 15/25

[Ajn]

Not going to change unless he stages like the two prime candidates above

[Jeffers1984]

Originally posted by Ajn
Not going to change unless he stages like the two prime candidates above

But even then the maggots will probably not blow their whistle cause they'll think he's acting. No win situation really.

[mocaholic]

Originally posted by stellation
Interestingly it did actually improve in overall free kicks last year (which suprises me 'cause I don't recall it being much better!).

Frf/Fra

Barry Hall
2003 24 games: 9/32
2004 24 games: 20/34

IIRC Roos went to Geischen at the start of 2004 with these stats in hand. Another interesting one was Neitz - Daniher complained about his treatment after a particularly shoddy week of umpiring against him and the following week his frees f/a were reversed!

[liz]

Originally posted by stellation
Interestingly it did actually improve in overall free kicks last year (which suprises me 'cause I don't recall it being much better!).

I don't think raw numbers are any kind of measure of whether anyone is getting a fair deal.

The only real measures are:

- number of blatantly wrong decisions that go against a team / player
- proportion of soft / dubious ones that go for or against a team / player with regard to consistent application of rules across games and within games.

Unfortunately no such definitive stats are made public, if indeed they are even collated.

And we all know that our team is the most hard done by - regardless of availability of stats to back it up.

[Red]

It might have a bit to do with his background. In boxing, you never want to indicate you've been hit -- gives easy points to your opponent.

[penga]

as long as bazza doesnt stop and look around expecting a free, worthy or not, ill be happy...

[ScottH]

Originally posted by Red
It might have a bit to do with his background. In boxing, you never want to indicate you've been hit -- gives easy points to your opponent.

Being hit is one thing, but being scragged is not on.

[BonBon]

Re: Baz and the umpires

Originally posted by liz
This seems to suggest that players acting up after incidental contact can win them unwarranted frees, and that the umpires do "guess" what happened at times, rather than just rely on what they actually saw.

That's just stupid.

I also think that whether the umpires have a good relationship with Baz or not, that shouldn't change their minds on decisions. Eg if Baz was meant to be paid a free kick when instead the opposing team got rewarded it instead. I've seen that happen plenty of times.

[Wazza]

I dont think Baz or for that matter MoL do there chances any good with the umps by constantly begging for frees, I wish they would just get on with it at times instead of having a moan to the Ump while the opposition runs away with the ball.

Cheers

Waz

[swansrule100]

Originally posted by Wazza
I dont think Baz or for that matter MoL do there chances any good with the umps by constantly begging for frees, I wish they would just get on with it at times instead of having a moan to the Ump while the opposition runs away with the ball.

Cheers

Waz

i dont think either of them, especially hall complain much at all.

[Nico]

Tredrea is interesting. He is just as big as Barry but they don't seem to have much trouble finding the around the necks to him.

Doh.

Treders must be married to the combovers daughter.