Rok

[Wil]

Rok is by far the most overrated player in the team. He is certainly in our best 22 - on the half forward line only.

He only performs when the other teams fifth or sixth best defender is on him. I don't think he has played one good game in the finals. And all his good games last year came when the rest of the team was playing like crap.

[liz]

Originally posted by Wil
Rok is by far the most overrated player in the team. He is certainly in our best 22 - on the half forward line only.

He only performs when the other teams fifth or sixth best defender is on him. I don't think he has played one good game in the finals. And all his good games last year came when the rest of the team was playing like crap.

If he is overrated then it is by the coaches as much as by the supporters. He came fourth in last year's B&F.

Few comments

a) last year he was given different roles in different games. There were several occasions when he completely sacrificed his game to make space for Baz or to limit the influence of an opposition play maker in the back half.

b) This year he's been sucked up far more into the midfield. Whether its his own volition or under instruction from the coach, who knows. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone in the team / box actually understands what the "game plan" is at the moment.

c) He was pretty good against Hawthorn - but then who wasn't?

d) He was very ordinary last week and for most of yesterday - but then who wasn't?

e) He had some important touches in the final quarter yesterday - but then who didn't?

f) Playing well when the rest of the team isn't (as was often the case last year) is far better than only playing well when the rest of the team is. That is easy.

Once the dust has settled on last night's euphoria, the team will realise how lucky they were last night and how much improvement is needed right across the board. If you are going to drop everyone who's not performed to standard thus far you might as well just drop the whole team and play the seconds.

[Wil]

Liz - great post!

Originally posted by liz

a) last year he was given different roles in different games. There were several occasions when he completely sacrificed his game to make space for Baz or to limit the influence of an opposition play maker in the back half.

I think this essentially should be his role in the team (plus kick one or two goals a game). I don't believe he has anything to add from the midfield.

f) Playing well when the rest of the team isn't (as was often the case last year) is far better than only playing well when the rest of the team is. That is easy.

I understand what you are saying but I felt ROK's B&F votes were really him being the best of a bad lot. That may be by kicking a few or just putting the most effort on the ground.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by liz
re: a "Few comments"

Well said. I think that sums it up perfectly. And he will improve, I'm sure.

[Schneiderman]

Everyone's a critic these days!

And who exactly do we replace him with? Will the replacement guarantee a better performance week-in-week-out?

The team's sitting 2-1 and could easily be 3-0. Move on people, lest we turn into Richmond

[NMWBloods]

Go blow it out your arse with your ridiculous "move on people' comment - we are allowed to comment and have views on players...

The team's sitting 2-1 and could easily be 1-2...

[Wazza]

Also to add to the other comments once MOL comes back into the forward line this may free ROK as MOL will pick up 2nd best defender. This will also help Davis who has found himself sitting at FF this year.

ROK was a great player this year but is probably representative of most of the team who seem to be having a slow start getting into it....now what wre we saying earlier about pre season games.......................


cheers

waz

[undy]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
FFS - you were the one suggesting he needed more time, not him. How many games before his accuracy becomes important? How many games is he allowed to be a passenger?

According to an unnamed source 4 &
2 respectively. HTH.

[Rizzo]

Originally posted by liz
I'm beginning to wonder if anyone in the team / box actually understands what the "game plan" is at the moment.

You could well be right!

[dimelb]

Originally posted by NMWBloods


He is a reason why 'we don't get goals'.
Last year he had 14 disposals, 5 marks and 1.4 goals per game (at an accuracy of 66%).
This year he has 8 disposals, 2 marks and 0.7 goals per game (at an accuracy of 50%).

There are lies, damned lies, statistics and NMW.
To this bear of little brain it seems that O'K is being used more in a midfield role, so his disposals/goals ratio will naturally be down. And how anyone could consider we might drop him (what? as a disciplinary measure?) is beyond belief. And who would replace him?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by dimelb
There are lies, damned lies, statistics and NMW.
To this bear of little brain it seems that O'K is being used more in a midfield role, so his disposals/goals ratio will naturally be down. And how anyone could consider we might drop him (what? as a disciplinary measure?) is beyond belief. And who would replace him?

Firstly, I never said we should drop him. I simply said he needs to improve his game dramatically.

Secondly, if he is in the midfield (which I don't think he is) then his disposal/goal ratio will drop, but his disposals/game should go up. The former is not significantly different and the latter has actually dropped.

I haven't noticed he's really played the decoy role a lot this year.

I simply think he's not getting the ball or making good position.

[stellation]

In the giant moving pack midfield concept that Roos seems to have employed for large parts of the first few games the HF line has, at times, seemed non-existent. Ryan made his big steps last year because of big sweeping runs that were based on HF play, way too early to judge him yet. Even if he isn't in the best of form at the moment he is still a very strong contested mark, a good kick and willing to chase. At least his presence out there is keeping his mans run off HB honest.

Not sure either how to take comments that he only performs if he has the 6th defender on him, he doesn't exactly play the "first option" forward/sit close to goals kind of role anyway and he would rarely get the best defender. If the Brions put Michael on him surely Ryan would just run him ragged further up the ground?

[TheHood]

The only thing that I am missing from the ROK is his goal kicking.

He seems to take the liberty of playing everywhere from FF to FB. He thows himself into all sorts of crowded pack contests and sometimes I think that's ok.

Other times I think he's running around like a headless chook, something like a Daryl White type of thing. Hope he stops that because I hate the way Daryl plays.

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
FFS - you were the one suggesting he needed more time, not him. How many games before his accuracy becomes important? How many games is he allowed to be a passenger?

Shouldn't this be in the "trading Barry Hall" thread?

[LittleSchneider]

I agree with Bloods.
McVeigh was dropped and he had a far better game than ROK did last week.
Are the core senior players immune from being dropped? Rules for some, different rules for others it seems.