Goodes must play ruck

[Captain]

Goodes must be played in the ruck.

When Stafford went down, Goodes one the Rising Star Award by playing ruck.

Goodes won the Brownlow playing ruck.

Goodes was named All Australian ruckman.

There is an obvious trend here.

Goodes did his knee playing ruck. Paul Kelly did his knee busting a tackle. Saddington did his knee trying to kick a goal. Injuries happen, that shouldn't stop a player going back to that postion.

The notion that Goodes is too important to risk in the ruck is a crock of @@@@. If he is so fragile, why play him at all? Why even field a team? After all someone may get injured!

The point is, Goodes is not a champion when he is playing any other position than ruck. He is not a CHB, is an average CHF and doesn't have the capacity to run all day on a smaller midfielder.

Goodes is an asset to us and we should use him accordingly. His strength in the ruck is his mobility and the extreme difficulty in matching him up.

Roos needs to wake up to himself and play Goodes in the ruck, now and for the rest of the year, even when Jolly and Ball are back.

[timthefish]

goodes' ability depends upon running and leaping. he's got one buggered knee already which he can't rely upon for leaping, landing or turning upon quickly. age and further injury is going to quickly take him out of rucking as he won't be able to match it with the taller ruckman (particularly now with the center circle limitation).

i'd like to see him still doing work around the ground, but apart from that, he needs and deserves another key position to make his own.

[Captain]

Originally posted by timthefish
goodes' ability depends upon running and leaping. he's got one buggered knee already which he can't rely upon for leaping, landing or turning upon quickly. age and further injury is going to quickly take him out of rucking as he won't be able to match it with the taller ruckman (particularly now with the center circle limitation).

Don't kid yourself, Goodes can still leap.

Surely it would be easier for him to match it with a ruckman than a CHF or CHB, ruckman are far less nimble. Even with a bung knee he has far more chance of out running an out manuvering a ruckman than a KPP.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by timthefish
goodes' ability depends upon running and leaping. he's got one buggered knee already which he can't rely upon for leaping, landing or turning upon quickly.

Just running really, and that he can do just fine. Before the injury, the number of times he would punch it out of the centre square to the advantage of a running player... himself.

[timthefish]

Originally posted by Captain
Don't kid yourself, Goodes can still leap.

i don't think he's getting the kind of elevation he was back in 2003.

[sharp9]

Matbe, but it's still good, twp spectacular pack marks in the last two weeks (down the same end at the G....Paddington) one in defence and one in atttack. As long as he is IN THE RIGHT SPOT he is still a genuine danger.

He seems to find the right spot when he is on the ball more than when he is CHB or CHF.

[midaro]

Re: Goodes must play ruck

Originally posted by Captain
Goodes is not a champion when he is playing any other position than ruck.

That's the crucial point.
I got screamed at for saying this preseason.

If Goodes doesn't play ruck he's just a good-average player.
I would have like to see him get more of an opportunity at CHB, (but that doesn't seem to be going to happen) and at CHF he's a known quantity.

Roos' has said, that Goodes won't play in the ruck because he's too valuable to risk.
I say, if Goodes doesn't play ruck, he's not particulary valuable at all.

[NMWBloods]

Re: Re: Goodes must play ruck

Originally posted by midaro
Roos' has said, that Goodes won't play in the ruck because he's too valuable to risk.
I say, if Goodes doesn't play ruck, he's not particulary valuable at all.

To some extent I agree with this. He's just another player except in the ruck and hasn't shown he can shine in another position.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Re: Re: Goodes must play ruck

I agree with Midaro & Captain.

Thus far he has shown real abilty in 1 position alone, his Rookie of the Year and Brownlow medal years were both ruck years.

Now before anyone starts talking about the dangers of the injury to ruckman especially at the centre bounce, (I was warning he should be kept out of the centre bounce prior to him doing his knees (May 10th last year, I checked).

An around the ground ruckman and a bounce ruckman do not have to be the same man.

The Swans keep experimenting with him elsewhere (I thought experiments was what the pre-season was for), but with no suggestion thus far that there's any other posi that he can excell at.

None of which applies to this weekend when we have selected only LRT and Goodes (naming Jolly seems an exercise in quixotic denial) and a selection of midgets as emergencies.

Frankly I'd have played Earl Shaw at the bounce and Goodes around the ground. Then earl can go park himself up forward, his markings not his best feature but he'd take a tall defender away from MOL.

[pillowtalk]

Roos' has said that he had a discussion with Goodsey this week and he will not contest the centre bounce, mainly as he hasn't done any real ruck work this year since the centre circle was changed, and that it was "probably best for the team if he continues to play half-back or centre half-forward"

With no Jolly, Doyle or Ball wouldn't it be best for the team to have him there ?

Maybe he carries a fear of playing ruck because of THAT knee and it's hindering him. What's that saying ... Got to get back on the saddle ...

[Sanecow]

Go and read this. Stand LRT in the circle at the centre bounce like a pillar of salt.

[ROK Lobster]

Buchanon should 'contest' the centre bounces. We are going to get flogged there anyway, why not have an extra small getting it off the ground?

[pillowtalk]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Buchanon should 'contest' the centre bounces. We are going to get flogged there anyway, why not have an extra small getting it off the ground?

LOL !

Actually, it's not such a bad idea to put our worst player in that postition. After all, they'll be useless elsewhere ... I'm gunning for LRT

[midaro]

I think Buchanon should play CHB instead of LRT.

[ScottH]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Buchanon should 'contest' the centre bounces. We are going to get flogged there anyway, why not have an extra small getting it off the ground?

Imagine the frees for over the shoulder or high contact!!!! You could be onto something there.