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  • Charlie
    On the Rookie List
    • Jan 2003
    • 4101

    #16
    Long kicks. Contested marks. Run with it when you can, kick when an option closer to goal presents itself, handball when you have to. Don't look backwards. Looking backwards tempts players into kicking backwards. Or worse - handballing backwards.

    If we lose.... there are worse things. It's not rocket science. There's no secret formulas or clever tricks. Do what the rest of the league is doing; it might not result in victory, but it will if we're good enough. There's nothing to be lost; we're losing anyway.
    We hate Anthony Rocca
    We hate Shannon Grant too
    We hate scumbag Gaspar
    But Leo WE LOVE YOU!

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16778

      #17
      Pretty much all of the above.

      In the short term, while confidence is so low, I'd also focus on getting the team to concentrate on things they can do - ie make sure they run, tackle, smother, shepherd etc - rather than get them concentrating on "having better skills". The skills will improve naturally if they stop worrying about them, and "having better skills" isn't an action they can "do", it's an outcome.

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      • Rod_
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2003
        • 1179

        #18
        1. Take the players on a mid week trip to a local pub and have a good time. (Lock them in for say 4 + hours) Say tomorrow night! Hire a comedian / clown / ??

        2. Whilst at the pub play pool and darts and complete "team bonding" and laugh and have fun.

        3. Make Roosy shave his head for charity - Nah my misses would kill me! (Or do something else that makes him touchable / human to the players) Roast him for all the things that he has done to the team so far this year (Maxi can lead the roasting - say each player gets one go) Blame Warwick Capper or something?

        4. Then the next morning have a time trial run (but don't tell them till after the lock down period is over) Thursday AM Early say 5:00 AM - then rest to afternoon session.

        5. Another session of skills training PM. Light session only consisting of kick to kick - taking speckies, and rabbitiing about as about 80% flat out say 1 hour excluding warm ups and downs.

        6. Select the team (including new blood - Say Vogles and Moore - Vogles to replace Doyle)

        7. Select / confirm Team plays and alternative match ups on Friday behind closed doors and then practiced on the paddock.

        Game day - have confidence in the players and tell them to have fun it is just a game.

        Win loose or draw we need confidence to be reinstalled in the players.

        The player look scared to do things that got Roosy the job. The game plan A is predictable need Plan B, C, D etc Nothing wrong with some creative player plans for part of the game. Say 5 minutes of every Quarter is player fun time. Roosy just tells them which 5 minutes.

        1/4 Game plan for the first 15 minutes then go for it. No changes to the players on the ground for that silly 5 minutes. Everyone is accountable for their direct player. But if Schaubes can slip away from full back and collect a mark and kick a goal - team sucess. or if Barry Hall drags his 2 backmen out to the wing to free up the forward line for a loose ball to be kicked around that wing into the forward line, running players gather and goal ??..... get the idea


        Plan C.1 have fun

        Rod_

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        • BonBon
          BMT2144
          • Jul 2004
          • 2190

          #19
          I would give the reserves a turn.
          Last edited by BonBon; 4 May 2005, 12:13 AM.
          Vicky Pollard: Oh my god I so can't believe you just said that this is like the time I threw Anita's nokia in the canal as a joke and she's like you have well got to buy me another one and I'm like get over it and then Paul came over who's adopted anyway and started saying that I fancy Mark Bennett but oh my god just because I have sex with someone doesn't mean I fancy them.

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          • Sanecow
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Mar 2003
            • 6917

            #20
            Originally posted by BonBon
            I would give the reserved a turn.
            I might get a run.

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            • BonBon
              BMT2144
              • Jul 2004
              • 2190

              #21
              Lol, oops.
              Vicky Pollard: Oh my god I so can't believe you just said that this is like the time I threw Anita's nokia in the canal as a joke and she's like you have well got to buy me another one and I'm like get over it and then Paul came over who's adopted anyway and started saying that I fancy Mark Bennett but oh my god just because I have sex with someone doesn't mean I fancy them.

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              • ScottH
                It's Goodes to cheer!!
                • Sep 2003
                • 23665

                #22
                Originally posted by BonBon
                Lol, oops.
                I bet your mum said that, very early in your life.

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                • footyhead
                  Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
                  • May 2003
                  • 1367

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Bron
                  I would stop saying that the player group were no good. I think that this is a major reason behind our lack of confidence.

                  I am disappointed to hear that Roos thinks we don't have any stars, yet we had a strong contingent in the International series. OK, not everyone got there on first pick, but our guys had to have been in the top 30 picks to get a gig. That means they are recognised as better than average players.

                  If you tell people that they are no good, then they will start to be no good. (Simple test, try this in any environment.)

                  So so true !

                  Just another example of how Roos has fallen into so many of the negative patterns of his predecessor.

                  You can't tell a bunch of players that they are not the best, when their whole like till now has been about trying to become the best.

                  It short circuts their will to win and comes back to bit the coach on the arse as self sabotage within the psyche of the team.

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                  • ScottH
                    It's Goodes to cheer!!
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 23665

                    #24
                    I can't beleive that Roos is so negative to the players, if he is it would be sheer stupidity. His job is to instill confidence and self belief, as well as skills and game plan.

                    IMO he is down playing his players to the media. But what would I know?

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                    • Wardy
                      The old Boiler!
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 6676

                      #25
                      It seems that Roos has changed his tune.

                      When he became coach (or stand in after Eades departure) didnt he instill in the players that they were to go out and enjoy themselves, and not worry about mistakes, learn from them etc etc? I'm sure that was why the lads did so well when he took over because Eade used to read the riot act.
                      They were enjoying their footy - so what has caused all of this?

                      I'm at a loss!
                      I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
                      Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
                      AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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                      • timthefish
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 940

                        #26
                        1. stop writing off the players skill in public and starting taking more responsibility for the form of the team
                        1a. forget about the flag this year. develop more.

                        2. play nick davis leading out of the square. he's the finest sharp-shooter in the game and needs to be a focal point. micky to pocket.

                        3. barry hall at CHF with small player at his feet

                        4. play goodes as our fourth (now third) ruckman to fill in while jolly/ball/(doyle) are unavailable. with the 10 m circle he can't get the leap together to beat 2 m + giants. try him out as ruck-rover, wing and hbf.

                        5. tadgh to the wing

                        6. persist with LRT and Saddington (soon) as developing CHB and spare-parts ruckman and forward flank.

                        7. schneider and moore as major projects in the midfield. give schneider the major tagging role for the next 6 weeks until he gets fitter and finding the ball himself a bit. start moore in off as small-forward and then bring him into the midfield for the remainder of the year and set him up for the mother of all pre-season. he'll be our general in five years.

                        8. start hunting for another tall defender/kpp player. doesn't have to be a champ now or a high draft pick in the past. i think our window of opportunity is 2006/2008 so we don't have much time for development of remaining bigmen.
                        then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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                        • dread and might
                          Back, strapped and intact
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 949

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Rod_
                          1. Take the players on a mid week trip to a local pub and have a good time. (Lock them in for say 4 + hours) Say tomorrow night! Hire a comedian / clown / ??

                          2. Whilst at the pub play pool and darts and complete "team bonding" and laugh and have fun.

                          3. Make Roosy shave his head for charity - Nah my misses would kill me! (Or do something else that makes him touchable / human to the players) Roast him for all the things that he has done to the team so far this year (Maxi can lead the roasting - say each player gets one go) Blame Warwick Capper or something?

                          4. Then the next morning have a time trial run (but don't tell them till after the lock down period is over) Thursday AM Early say 5:00 AM - then rest to afternoon session.

                          5. Another session of skills training PM. Light session only consisting of kick to kick - taking speckies, and rabbitiing about as about 80% flat out say 1 hour excluding warm ups and downs.

                          6. Select the team (including new blood - Say Vogles and Moore - Vogles to replace Doyle)

                          7. Select / confirm Team plays and alternative match ups on Friday behind closed doors and then practiced on the paddock.

                          Game day - have confidence in the players and tell them to have fun it is just a game.

                          Win loose or draw we need confidence to be reinstalled in the players.

                          The player look scared to do things that got Roosy the job. The game plan A is predictable need Plan B, C, D etc Nothing wrong with some creative player plans for part of the game. Say 5 minutes of every Quarter is player fun time. Roosy just tells them which 5 minutes.

                          1/4 Game plan for the first 15 minutes then go for it. No changes to the players on the ground for that silly 5 minutes. Everyone is accountable for their direct player. But if Schaubes can slip away from full back and collect a mark and kick a goal - team sucess. or if Barry Hall drags his 2 backmen out to the wing to free up the forward line for a loose ball to be kicked around that wing into the forward line, running players gather and goal ??..... get the idea


                          Plan C.1 have fun

                          Rod_
                          OMG. Rod is Grant Thomas
                          I wish my weed was EMO so it would cut itself

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                          • Thunder Shaker
                            Aut vincere aut mori
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 4206

                            #28
                            What I would do:

                            Develop a game plan that looks good on match day. When the premiership finally arrives we will have a Grand Final that is worth adding to our Highlights cupboard.

                            Something like the 1972 Grand Final would be wonderful.
                            "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                            • Snowy
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 1244

                              #29
                              Just on the interchanging of players, 7 Swans are in the top 20 most interchanged players to date and some of them are good players. Surely they have the fitness (Bolton excluded, needs a break occasionally), to have more game time! In fact do the constant rotations de-stabilize the unit?
                              LIFE GOES ON

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                              • Rob-bloods
                                What a year 2005 SSFC/CFC
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 931

                                #30
                                Deliver the ball through half forward line or forward of wing, not to Barry, not allowing the defenders to zone off and give Bazza a chance one on one........and bring back the crumbers!
                                Sports do not build character. They reveal it....Heywood Broun

                                I always turn to the sports pages first, which record people's accomplishments. The front page has nothing but man's failures......Earl Warren

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