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  • kenswan
    On the Rookie List
    • May 2004
    • 40

    #16
    Re: Re: Get rid of Roos

    Originally posted by Schneiderman

    You could always be a Richmond supporter if you wish. They had a very exciting "style" as part of their 57 point schallacking last night. [/B]
    The way the players play is due to the way they are coached. Playing games like we are doing is pointless.
    Seeing things in red and white is better than seeing things as black and white.

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    • Swansinger
      Senior Player
      • Mar 2003
      • 1099

      #17
      Re: Re: Re: Get rid of Roos

      Originally posted by kenswan
      The way the players play is due to the way they are coached. Playing games like we are doing is pointless.
      Well , yes , they are responsible for implementing the coach's strategy.

      Strategy , though , is totally unrelated to execution of the basic skills.

      It was not Roos , but Bolton , who kicked straight to a Saints player.
      It was not Roos , but Buchanan , who missed a sitter.
      It was not Roos who turned the ball over so often.
      I am sure he was tearing his hair out at some of the errors last night.

      My English Premier League side , Southampton , have just been relegated after 27 years in the top division.
      There ARE some fans who want the coach to go.
      The majority , however , do not lay the blame at his door.
      They realise he did his best with a squad of limited ability.

      Really , how many people wanted Roos out after we beat both last year's grand finalists?

      Really , how many people think Roos will fail to recognise the shortcomings in the players and , yes , in himself - and address them ?

      This "Roos out" mentality is all a bit American ... and , I'm sorry to say , a bit "Sydney" as well.

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      • ROK Lobster
        RWO Life Member
        • Aug 2004
        • 8658

        #18
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Get rid of Roos

        Originally posted by Swansinger
        Really , how many people think Roos will fail to recognise the shortcomings in himself - and address them ?
        Me.

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        • Nico
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 11339

          #19
          Re: Re: Re: Re: Get rid of Roos

          Originally posted by Swansinger
          Well , yes , they are responsible for implementing the coach's strategy.

          Strategy , though , is totally unrelated to execution of the basic skills.

          It was not Roos , but Bolton , who kicked straight to a Saints player.
          It was not Roos , but Buchanan , who missed a sitter.
          It was not Roos who turned the ball over so often.
          I am sure he was tearing his hair out at some of the errors last night.

          My English Premier League side , Southampton , have just been relegated after 27 years in the top division.
          There ARE some fans who want the coach to go.
          The majority , however , do not lay the blame at his door.
          They realise he did his best with a squad of limited ability.



          Really , how many people wanted Roos out after we beat both last year's grand finalists?

          Really , how many people think Roos will fail to recognise the shortcomings in the players and , yes , in himself - and address them ?

          This "Roos out" mentality is all a bit American ... and , I'm sorry to say , a bit "Sydney" as well.

          He must now recognise that what he thinks is a good game plan is now defunct. Will he have the courage to admit this, if not prepared to admit it, just change it and get on with winning some games.
          http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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          • robbieando
            The King
            • Jan 2003
            • 2750

            #20
            Roos' problem is that he was stupid enough to read "Moneyball" and as a result decide that he could take some of the ideas out of that book and use them with the Swans.

            Moneyball for those who haven't read it or don't have a clue about it, is basically a book about the Oakland A's baseball team and how they use mid level talent to make the playoffs each year because they can't afford the top tier talent like the Yankees and the Red Sox. It also explains how Oakland draft players.

            They don't draft players out of high school because they are high risks of not turning out to being any good, while the College players the A's select are less of a risk because the talent and stats they showed at College Level is more likely to translate to Pro Baseball. With the drafting of Luke Vogels, Guy Campbell and even our selection of David Spriggs is an example of Roos belief in the Moneyball idea of a 21 year olds talent is more developed than a 17/18 year olds.

            So basically the Swans under Roos are being built and played like the Oakland A's. A team full of mid level talent and the one top tier player getting into the finals each season.

            Problem is the moral to the Moneyball Story..............













            ................the Oakland A's always go out in the first round of the playoffs. Gee sounds familar
            Once was, now elsewhere

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            • Newbie
              On the Rookie List
              • Mar 2003
              • 720

              #21
              It would not surprise me if we somewhat play well in the last four or five games and get a respectable position at the end of the season. Then the supporters would be screaming when there are reports that we are considering trading off Crouch, Mathews and those alike. It happened before and it will happen again.

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              • robbieando
                The King
                • Jan 2003
                • 2750

                #22
                Originally posted by Newbie
                It would not surprise me if we somewhat play well in the last four or five games and get a respectable position at the end of the season. Then the supporters would be screaming when there are reports that we are considering trading off Crouch, Mathews and those alike. It happened before and it will happen again.
                So very true. We can't trade our mid range talent can we, the fans love them so much
                Once was, now elsewhere

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                • Charlie
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 4101

                  #23
                  Originally posted by robbieando
                  So very true. We can't trade our mid range talent can we, the fans love them so much
                  Hall - untouchable.
                  Davis - almost untouchable.
                  McVeigh - preferably not.
                  Mathews - tradeable.
                  O'Keefe - tradeable, maybe. I had him as a category one during the off-season, not at the moment.
                  Bolton - tradeable, needs to be a pretty good trade because his value to the team exceeds his market value.
                  Willoughby - would rather see what he has to offer first.
                  Spriggs - name your price.
                  Fixter - zero market value.
                  Williams - untouchable.
                  Maxfield - zero market value.
                  Fosdike - name your price.
                  Schneider - tradeable.
                  Doyle - very low market value, more value to the team.
                  Kennelly - almost untouchable.
                  James - zero market value.
                  O'Loughlin - untouchable.
                  Ablett - preferably not, but not out of the question.
                  Barry - untouchable.
                  Saddington - tradeable.
                  Nicks - zero market value.
                  Bolton - would have to be a surprisingly good trade. Almost untouchable.
                  Schauble - you'd think untouchable. But then, you'd think he'd be in the team.
                  Dempster - preferably not.
                  Ball - zero market value.
                  Crouch - tradeable, woud need to be a good trade.
                  Powell - zero market value.
                  Roberts-Thomson - tradeable, low market value.
                  Kirk - untouchable.
                  Buchanan - tradeable, low market value.
                  Moore - preferably not.
                  Sundqvist - zero market value.
                  Schmidt - See Willoughby.
                  Goodes - untouchable.
                  Vogels - preferably not.
                  Malceski - zero market value, but see Willoughby.
                  Erickson - as per Willoughby.
                  Bevan - tradeable.
                  Davis - as per Willoughby.

                  Would this break-down make you happy? In practical terms, we're not going to trade any more than one or two mid-level players, because there will be a clean-out.
                  We hate Anthony Rocca
                  We hate Shannon Grant too
                  We hate scumbag Gaspar
                  But Leo WE LOVE YOU!

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                  • Diego
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 946

                    #24
                    Originally posted by robbieando
                    Roos' problem is that he was stupid enough to read "Moneyball" and as a result decide that he could take some of the ideas out of that book and use them with the Swans.

                    Moneyball for those who haven't read it or don't have a clue about it, is basically a book about the Oakland A's baseball team and how they use mid level talent to make the playoffs each year because they can't afford the top tier talent like the Yankees and the Red Sox. It also explains how Oakland draft players.

                    They don't draft players out of high school because they are high risks of not turning out to being any good, while the College players the A's select are less of a risk because the talent and stats they showed at College Level is more likely to translate to Pro Baseball. With the drafting of Luke Vogels, Guy Campbell and even our selection of David Spriggs is an example of Roos belief in the Moneyball idea of a 21 year olds talent is more developed than a 17/18 year olds.

                    So basically the Swans under Roos are being built and played like the Oakland A's. A team full of mid level talent and the one top tier player getting into the finals each season.

                    Problem is the moral to the Moneyball Story..............













                    ................the Oakland A's always go out in the first round of the playoffs. Gee sounds familar
                    If thats the case and i believe it is, then Roos needs to go. How can you base or structure a team around a stradegy thay has proven to not work?

                    How about instead of aiming for a top 8 spot we just think about winning a flag for a change. The main objective is winning a flag and do what ever they can to achieve this. Finishing 6-8th is just going two steps forward one step back.

                    To think Roos had so much to offer when he announced his 5 year plan.

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                    • Newbie
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 720

                      #25
                      We should have traded some off last year. It is too late now. Our turnover for last year was very low (with Jolly and Moore were only real new faces). We should have been much more proactive. This is why we are stucking with this same group of players at the moment.

                      PS: we cant trade Vogels, Charlie. He is a rookie .

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                      • Mark
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 578

                        #26
                        Originally posted by robbieando
                        Roos' problem is that he was stupid enough to read "Moneyball" and as a result decide that he could take some of the ideas out of that book and use them with the Swans.

                        Geez you talk some turd !

                        You know this because ?

                        or are you, yet again, bignoting yourself about something which you have no idea

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                        • Charlie
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 4101

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Mark
                          Geez you talk some turd !

                          You know this because ?

                          or are you, yet again, bignoting yourself about something which you have no idea
                          Err... he knows it because Roos said it himself?!?
                          We hate Anthony Rocca
                          We hate Shannon Grant too
                          We hate scumbag Gaspar
                          But Leo WE LOVE YOU!

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                          • Mark
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 578

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Charlie
                            Err... he knows it because Roos said it himself?!?
                            I think you will find he said absolutely nothing like the drivel written in the post.

                            As usual it was pure bignoting fiction

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                            • robbieando
                              The King
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 2750

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Mark
                              You know this because ?
                              Paul Roos admitted to reading Moneyball and gaining some ideas from it in a newspaper article before the draft last year. Copies of the book have been handed around by staff at other clubs including at Carlton another club that has taken a different approach to drafting and building their squad.

                              or are you, yet again, bignoting yourself about something which you have no idea
                              Seeing as I have read Moneyball, unlike yourself, I know what the book is about and therefore I'm perfectly placed to comment upon the book and the belief that ideas from the book can be used in the AFL. I can also understand what "ideas" Roos could of got from the book in terms of drafting and building a side that can make the finals.

                              Maybe you should read Moneyball and see if what I've said is true or not before deciding what I said is worthy or not of your high standards in regards to posting on this site. So at this moment it is you who is clearly the one who is bignoting himself about something which you clearly have no idea about.
                              Once was, now elsewhere

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                              • Charlie
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 4101

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Mark
                                I think you will find he said absolutely nothing like the drivel written in the post.

                                As usual it was pure bignoting fiction
                                Really? Let's see... he's done his research (ie, read the book), made the hypothesis (ie, what Roos has taken from the book), and, lo and behold, the evidence (ie, what the Swans have done in the past couple of years) actually supports his argument!

                                BTW - why the need for the abuse? He is at least looking for answers... you're sniping from the sidelines.
                                We hate Anthony Rocca
                                We hate Shannon Grant too
                                We hate scumbag Gaspar
                                But Leo WE LOVE YOU!

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