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  • Schneiderman
    The Fourth Captain
    • Aug 2004
    • 1615

    The Road Ahead

    So with all of the accusations, conspiracy theories and border-line hysteria about gameplans, its a good time to take a deep breath and take a look at the rest of the season.

    For the pessismists, this is the crunch time for picking up a priority draft pick. The AFL seem to have stalled their decision for another year on the issue (probably because of Carlton, Collingwood, Hawthorn and Essendons ladder position at the time). So we could make the most of it.

    For the optimists, we are where we probably expected to be at this time when looking at the year. We probably thought we'd drop the Brisbane, WCE, Port and St Kilda games, but either way we are 5-5 right now. Maybe 6-4 was a more realistic expectation, but I doubt most would have been unhappy if told we'd be 5-5 after 10 at the beginning of the season. Even four weeks ago at 2-4 I'm sure lots of supporters would have happily accepted 5-5.

    So here's my prediction:
    Carlton (A) - Win. They just suck ATM. So do we but not as much
    Freo (H - S) - Win. The travel factor to claim them.
    Collingwood (H - TS) - Win. We play TS better than the SCG ATM because it forces us through the middle and we have more space. Scene of our most attacking game this year IMO.
    Richmond (A) - Win. Maybe. Depends on how the team responds to Brown's injury. He certainly has been our bogey player against them over the years.
    Geelong (H) - Win. Thank goodness its at home. We'll stifle their run, and should grind out a win a la WB.
    Melbourne (A) - Loss. Too strong, fast and attacking at TD for us.
    WCE (H - SCG) - Loss. Maybe. If we switch on we can beat them at home, but it would be a close win as it is. I expect it to be tight.
    Adelaide (A) - Loss. We dont play AAMI very well, and Adelaide are travelling well this year.
    Essendon (A) - Loss. Maybe. Depends on Hird really. If he is there we will struggle, without him we may just pip them.
    Brisbane (H - TS) - Win. We only lose to them in finals or at the Gabba.
    Kangaroos (H - SCG) - Win. Maybe. If we concentrate for the whole game we will win. The Roos play the ugliest footy in town.
    Hawthorn (A) - Win. But only if the previous run is correcctly predicted and we are comfortably in the 8. Or if we are near the bottom and do it because the season is blown. If we need this to get into the 8, I figure we'll psyche ourselves into a big loss.

    So my (rather optimistic) predicitions have us at 12-10 by the end of the season. There are also four games I have trouble deciding on, so we could be as high as 14-8 or 10-12 and just out of the eight. I am rooting for the former, but we DO need to change the way we play for any hope in the finals regardless.
    Our Greatest Moment:

    Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm
  • SXP

    #2
    Schneiderman, you're one of those dilutional people who refuse to believe that the ship has hit the iceberg and it's about to sink. Just reading your posts or replies makes me cringe.
    When are you going to realize that it doesn't matter anyway how are the Swans going to play for the rest of the year?
    From premiership point of vew this year is over and there is nothing and that includes your timmid writting that would convince me otherwise.
    Personally I don't care if Roos stays or not together with his team, but if the club wants to survive in the Harbour City, they should produce something like Brisbane very soon or they are finished. You know that, supporters know that and coaches know that as well (probably).
    Your ranting about giving them another chance and they are not as bad as everybody believes wouldn't help anyway, because in my opinion their play sucks! And you know that, they know that and most of the readers of this forum know that.
    So, my crystal-ball gazer what are you going to say about that?

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    • stellation
      scott names the planets
      • Sep 2003
      • 9721

      #3
      Originally posted by SXP
      Schneiderman, you're one of those dilutional people who refuse to believe that the ship has hit the iceberg and it's about to sink. Just reading your posts or replies makes me cringe.
      When are you going to realize that it doesn't matter anyway how are the Swans going to play for the rest of the year?
      From premiership point of vew this year is over and there is nothing and that includes your timmid writting that would convince me otherwise.
      Personally I don't care if Roos stays or not together with his team, but if the club wants to survive in the Harbour City, they should produce something like Brisbane very soon or they are finished. You know that, supporters know that and coaches know that as well (probably).
      Your ranting about giving them another chance and they are not as bad as everybody believes wouldn't help anyway, because in my opinion their play sucks! And you know that, they know that and most of the readers of this forum know that.
      So, my crystal-ball gazer what are you going to say about that?
      What does that have to do with "take a deep breath and take a look at the rest of the season."?
      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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      • SXP

        #4
        Originally posted by stellation
        What does that have to do with "take a deep breath and take a look at the rest of the season."?
        I'm out of breath. And players are too, and the coaches, and....

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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #5
          Re: The Road Ahead

          Originally posted by Schneiderman
          For the optimists, we are where we probably expected to be at this time when looking at the year. We probably thought we'd drop the Brisbane, WCE, Port and St Kilda games, but either way we are 5-5 right now. Maybe 6-4 was a more realistic expectation, but I doubt most would have been unhappy if told we'd be 5-5 after 10 at the beginning of the season.
          I think most would have been unhappy. Surely optimists thought we'd be doing better than that. 'Barry' thought we'd win 18 and even I thought we had a chance of winning 14 and I was considered pessimistic thinking that. To be 5-5 is very average - which is standard for us.
          Even four weeks ago at 2-4 I'm sure lots of supporters would have happily accepted 5-5.
          Given our opponents in the 3 weeks from rds 7-9, I thought 5-5 was an absolute minimum you would expect, as I stated here.

          but we DO need to change the way we play for any hope in the finals regardless.
          And therein lies the problem - it's not so much our W/L record, but the terrible football we are playing. Doesn't really have so much clear upside.
          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • timthefish
            Regular in the Side
            • Sep 2003
            • 940

            #6
            Originally posted by SXP
            Schneiderman, you're one of those dilutional people who refuse to believe that the ship has hit the iceberg and it's about to sink. Just reading your posts or replies makes me cringe.
            When are you going to realize that it doesn't matter anyway how are the Swans going to play for the rest of the year?
            From premiership point of vew this year is over and there is nothing and that includes your timmid writting that would convince me otherwise.
            Personally I don't care if Roos stays or not together with his team, but if the club wants to survive in the Harbour City, they should produce something like Brisbane very soon or they are finished. You know that, supporters know that and coaches know that as well (probably).
            Your ranting about giving them another chance and they are not as bad as everybody believes wouldn't help anyway, because in my opinion their play sucks! And you know that, they know that and most of the readers of this forum know that.
            So, my crystal-ball gazer what are you going to say about that?
            i don't know what schneiderman has to say about it but i do know these things

            1. we are playing appallingly
            2. we do have the players and can play much better
            3. we're only out of the 8 on (admittedly appalling) %.
            4. we're a game ahead of the next team on the ladder
            5. we're only two games (and the aforementioned %) out of the top 4
            6. our confidence is down
            7. we need a more direct game plan that suits our forward power
            8. schneiderman has at least done some analysis
            9. you've merely spouted diatribe which is a soft option quite frankly.
            then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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            • barry
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 8499

              #7
              Re: Re: The Road Ahead

              Originally posted by NMWBloods
              [B]I think most would have been unhappy. Surely optimists thought we'd be doing better than that. 'Barry' thought we'd win 18 and even I thought we had a chance of winning 14 and I was considered pessimistic thinking that. To be 5-5 is very average - which is standard for us.
              [B]
              Given our opponents in the 3 weeks from rds 7-9, I thought 5-5 was an absolute minimum you would expect, as I stated here.


              And therein lies the problem - it's not so much our W/L record, but the terrible football we are playing. Doesn't really have so much clear upside.
              To be fair my 18 wins was based on 2003/04 form and the very soft draw we have. It also needed a few things to click which in hindsight was far to optimistic. It was definately possible though.

              This year is just a disaster. On field and off field. The sooner its over the better. The only thing that would make me happy would be the adoption of an exciting style, and some young kids step up. ie LRT's further development, Vogels with more game time, Scneider left at FP. McVeigh cement his place, Dempster at half back. Lets lock those in, and ride it out.

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              • NMWBloods
                Taking Refuge!!
                • Jan 2003
                • 15819

                #8
                Re: Re: Re: The Road Ahead

                Originally posted by barry
                This year is just a disaster. On field and off field. The sooner its over the better. The only thing that would make me happy would be the adoption of an exciting style, and some young kids step up. ie LRT's further development, Vogels with more game time, Scneider left at FP. McVeigh cement his place, Dempster at half back. Lets lock those in, and ride it out.
                Agreed. However, I was hoping for some of these signs in 2004 and I was a bit worried going into this season as we really didn't seem to have developed from last year and our last year form wasn't really that great.

                Our big hope is we get half a dozen or so youngsters to develop.
                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                • Schneiderman
                  The Fourth Captain
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 1615

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SXP
                  So, my crystal-ball gazer what are you going to say about that?
                  Go support another club. Simple thoughts like "we should do a Brisbane and win some premierships" wont help us do better.

                  I love my Swannies, and just because they lose a few games (or heck all of them) wont stop me from supporting them. Such is life. You cant always be on top, nor on the bottom.
                  Our Greatest Moment:

                  Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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                  • Schneiderman
                    The Fourth Captain
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 1615

                    #10
                    Re: Re: The Road Ahead

                    Originally posted by NMWBloods
                    I think most would have been unhappy. Surely optimists thought we'd be doing better than that. 'Barry' thought we'd win 18 and even I thought we had a chance of winning 14 and I was considered pessimistic thinking that. To be 5-5 is very average - which is standard for us.
                    So at the beginning of the year did you really think we would beat Brisbane away, St Kilda away, WCE away and Port home? Thats 6-4. We mixed up the results, but the position on the ladder is not dire regardless, or that far from most people's predictions.

                    Given our opponents in the 3 weeks from rds 7-9, I thought 5-5 was an absolute minimum you would expect, as I stated here.
                    LOL. As opposed to 6-4 which was the mathematical maximum. But this still means you cant be displeased. Unless you deliberately state opinions that expect to be exceeded, hence hiding the blind optimist inside

                    Doesn't really have so much clear upside.
                    We are not out of it. And we are 5-5 playing at 60-70% of our potential. Plenty of teams have featured strongly in the finals after such a start, and plenty more have disappeared into ignomy with much stronger starts.
                    Our Greatest Moment:

                    Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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                    • Mike_B
                      Peyow Peyow
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 6267

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Schneiderman
                      I love my Swannies, and just because they lose a few games (or heck all of them) wont stop me from supporting them. Such is life. You cant always be on top, nor on the bottom.
                      As do I and many others on here. But just because you support a team doesn't mean you can't at the same time be critical of them and want them to do better.

                      And no, you can't always be on top, but you should always be doing your best to get there. I think many of us are frustrated with what we perceive to be the club not doing everything they can to get there.

                      I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

                      If you cannot compete for the premiership, it's better to be young and exciting than middle-aged and dowdy.

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        #12
                        As I noted numerous times and above, it's the quality of our football that has me worried. You don't win many flags when you average 10 goals per game.

                        If we were seriously looking at a top 4 spot we probably should have been 7-3 now, or at least 6-4 with a healthy % and playing good football.

                        None of that is the case.
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • Schneiderman
                          The Fourth Captain
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 1615

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mike_B
                          As do I and many others on here. But just because you support a team doesn't mean you can't at the same time be critical of them and want them to do better.

                          And no, you can't always be on top, but you should always be doing your best to get there. I think many of us are frustrated with what we perceive to be the club not doing everything they can to get there.
                          My comments are aimed at those who call me, personally, "delusional" because I keep my chin up. If you read my other posts you'll find I am plenty critical of players and tactics.

                          But what frustrates me most is the "bandwagon" nature of so many "supporters" on this site. You can include Robert Walls in that (it was "tempo football" last year, now its "ugly"). Out of the ashes of 1993-94 came 1996, and out of the ashes of 2002 came 2003. So lets not get carried away, especially when there is more than half a season to go, and we are only out of the eight on percentage!
                          Our Greatest Moment:

                          Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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                          • NMWBloods
                            Taking Refuge!!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15819

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Schneiderman
                            But what frustrates me most is the "bandwagon" nature of so many "supporters" on this site.
                            Care to name them!
                            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                            • Schneiderman
                              The Fourth Captain
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 1615

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NMWBloods
                              Care to name them!
                              As I see it, here are some that immediately come to mind:

                              SXP
                              Footyhead
                              Diego
                              Anne

                              But then what does my opinion matter?
                              Our Greatest Moment:

                              Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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