Monty v Schneider

[barry]

IMO, Schneider is the better footballer and long term prospect as a forward pocket.

But at the moment Monty is more valuable to the team because he can play midfield as well.

If we had a gun midfield, Monty would be delisted, and Schnedier nursed back into the forward line.

Thoughts ?

[Bleed Red Blood]

Schneider can play midfield, just not presently, give him some games in the forward pocket now, we know he can play there.

[sharpie]

I dont think Schneider has ever showed that he can be a midfield star. Yes, he may be able to provide some run through the midfield, but so can almost every other player in our team. He doesnt add anything particularly special there.

Monty on the other hand has, despite all his errors, appeared to be quite adept at getting his hands on the hard ball and clearing it from a pack. This is something particularly special compared to the majority of the other guys running through the midfield. So he potentially has much more of a future in the midfield.

Having said that, if Schneider could get some quality time sitting in a forward pocket, he may just get back to that 2003 brilliance. He certainly can have a place in our future, but needs to find his niche again, and soon.

[Old Royboy]

Both these boys are natural footballers. Monty has done the hard yards and the work, battled injuries, nearly been de-listed, and is now starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. The Scheiderman is a year or two behind Monty, but he has ability many would die for and his future depends on how much hard work he is prepared to do. On sheer football ability I put Schneider just ahead, but ability without dedication counts for zilch. Everything came too easy for him in 2003, his experience of last year and this should have (I hope) taught him that real success comes from hard work.

[TheHood]

There is a lot of rubbish talked in the media about blokes not being accountable enough and so on and it's never been said about Schneides and I am not sure why not.

IMO, there are forward pocket types who have never really been backmen or taggers or run with players ever in their AFL career and I reckon it goes some way to explaining their inconsistency and sometimes selfish ways and yes I am talking about Milne, Schneides, Fevola, (at times) Matera and it's no coincidence that these guys have had checkered careers.

My point is, that Adam Schneider has had some fairly good times when he was lucky enough to not have an accountable role. When he's a crumber or when he's been a receiver (couple of times) in the midfield.

I truly think that the coaching staff have tested him in an accoutable midfield role and he didn't have the ticker or team ethic (sub-consciously) to carry it off. We at the time just wanted him to rack up possies and deliver into the F50 but he had no juice to do that properly and he has been culled until he understands his place has to be earned.

I like Schneides and all that he is capable of (sublime skills at times) but until he can really think his way through what needs to be done as a run-with player, he will never earn his place as a receiver.

Perhaps Schneides needs to take a leaf out of the great Daryn Cresswell's book and that is you have to be great at breaking your opponent before you're going to be great at delivering lace out into your F50.

Starting to feel like the Preacher Man tonight. HALLELUJAH!

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Old Royboy
ability without dedication counts for zilch

Counts for a hell of a lot more than dedication without ability.

[ScottH]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Counts for a hell of a lot more than dedication without ability.

Why mention LRT??

[barry]

Forward pocket or crumbing forward is about the hardest position on the field to play IMO. You arent big enough to be a target so wont get the ball kicked to you much, and have to try and predict the punch or crumbs which the opposition is trying to direct AWAY from you.

You need to have a strong mental calibre to ride out droughts without effecting your form. You also need a coach who understands the position. O'keefe is actually doing that ok at the moment and Roos is sticking with him. I wonder if Schneider needs to grow into the mental aspect still.

[Sean]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Counts for a hell of a lot more than dedication without ability.

Laurence Angwin?

[sharp9]

Manty is showing sniffs of having a much better than average ability to win usable ball in contested situations. And I mean average for the AFL.

His footy brain is a little above average, but his disposal is still below average. All in all there is much reason for optimism.

Could be another Cressa....could also turn into Shane O'Bree who also wins a lot of the footy, but is dead set ****e with it.

To compare with Benny Mathews (for example) well, there is no comparison. Monty is far more creative, far quicker off the mark, far quicker to use the ball and has similar level foot skills (though a shorter kick) but has played about 100 less games. He is not a great tackler yet, either...he's tenancious but his half tackles get broken.

Also Monty can win hard ball AND USE IT STRAIGHT AWAY (best example was diving in in front of Bell on the fifty, dishing up a hand ball....goal!).

Benny is not afraid of the hard stuff....but you don't see him win it then break out of the pack or feed a clever attacking handball from out of a scrimmage.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Different beasts.
Monty's shown nothing on the forward line, Schneider has did very well there in 03.
Monty is showing a lot as a inside midfielder (or at least a lot more than we expected) where as the other MAY become an outside midfielder.
I don't think they're even competing for the same positions, if they were both in form I'd have both in our best 22.