Free kick prediction v D's

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by Old Royboy
...Leo 10-18, Tadgh 10-20, LRT 8-15

It's even more disturbing that it's our backs getting caned.

In our last 6 games agains Vic based sides the f&a free tally is 88-142. I think more than tackling practice is required to solve this.

[Wil]

Originally posted by Agent 86
It's even more disturbing that it's our backs getting caned.

In our last 6 games agains Vic based sides the f&a free tally is 88-142. I think more than tackling practice is required to solve this.

Its not just tackling. Its physical mismatches and poor technique in contests plus a lack of team work in the backs to help each other (i.e. too many 1 on 1 contests where the attacking player will always get the benefit of the doubt).

[Glenn]

Providing the attacking team is not Sydney

With the difference in the free kicks, surely it can not just be put down to poor technique

[floppinab]

Originally posted by Old Royboy
We winge about the umpiring, but have a look at the stats; most of the free kick deficit is down to 4 or 5 serial offenders, mostly down back.

Leo 10-18, Tadgh 10-20, LRT 8-15, Crouchy 10-15 and of course serial maggot victim Bazza at 15-24.

Swans defence is 3rd best in the comp, yet we probably give away more goals through free kicks (esp as a % of total score) than most. If pressure saves 6 goals, but costs 3 through free kicks I?ll take the pressure, untidy as it is.

Our backs need to work on their tackling technique, but realistically it (and umpire interpretation) will not change overnight. I reckon the lopsided counts (and our moaning) will continue.

Opposition are on to this a bit . I don't necessarily disagree with some of the comments on tackling techniques but in combination with opposition players going the dive or duck when they feel the hands around the torso doesn't help. A couple of Thurleys on Sat. night were in that mould.

[Agent 86]

Am i paranoid?

Have a look at these free kick numbers for non-Vic teams in the top 8 for Round 15.

Kangaroos 28 vs West C. 16
Brisbane 11 vs Collingwood 21
Hawks 25 vs Adelaide 17
Sydney 13 vs Geelong 25

Anybody see a pattern here?

[TheHood]

Re: Am i paranoid?

Originally posted by Agent 86
Have a look at these free kick numbers for non-Vic teams in the top 8 for Round 15.

Kangaroos 28 vs West C. 16
Brisbane 11 vs Collingwood 21
Hawks 25 vs Adelaide 17
Sydney 13 vs Geelong 25

Anybody see a pattern here?

Compelling, though I did notice you left out the Freo Dogs game which had an even count.

Also, the Port Dees game which was slightly in favour of the Dees. Though, extrordinarily, Tredrea was paid 5 free kicks. So was Jeff White but that can happen in the ruck.

They whinge at Port that he doesn't get enough Frees but that kind of day would let our Baz kick 10 or so. Where do you get one of those umps from? Las Vegas?

[Thunder Shaker]

We should examine the nature of the frees we give away. If our players get pinged for tackling too high, is it because their tackling technique needs work or because the opponents ducked their heads? Do we get pinged for holding the ball a lot despite not having prior opportunity? We should make any possible effort to get rid of the ball if we are tackled. If the arms are pinned, the umpire must see that lest we are penalised.

I think part of the fault lies in the game plan. Many of the frees appear to be for such matters as high tackles and holding the ball. A high tackle means we were second to the ball. Holding the ball often means the player received the ball in a handpass or off the ground. If we kick the ball more, we would concede fewer frees of this nature because the recipient would take a mark. Most of the time a mark is as good as a free kick so we should play for them.

[cruiser]

Re: Am i paranoid?

Originally posted by Agent 86
Have a look at these free kick numbers for non-Vic teams in the top 8 for Round 15.

Kangaroos 28 vs West C. 16
Brisbane 11 vs Collingwood 21
Hawks 25 vs Adelaide 17
Sydney 13 vs Geelong 25

Anybody see a pattern here?

Those bloody Victorians!

[giant]

Re: Am i paranoid?

Originally posted by Agent 86
Have a look at these free kick numbers for non-Vic teams in the top 8 for Round 15.

Kangaroos 28 vs West C. 16
Brisbane 11 vs Collingwood 21
Hawks 25 vs Adelaide 17
Sydney 13 vs Geelong 25

Anybody see a pattern here?

A Sydney supporter texted these stats to WLF last night - you the culprit Max? If so, keep fighting the good fight.

The amazing part is that the non-Vic teams were (mostly) convincing winners in each game. Go figger...

[Dave]

Originally posted by Agent 86

What's really annoying me lately is when a player on the ground with the ball has 3 defenders jump on him gets penalised. I'm predicting Melbourne to get 4 frees for this on the weekend.

Or the ball is dragged back in by the tackling player and the tackled player gets pinged for it.

[Agent 86]

Re: Re: Am i paranoid?

Originally posted by TheHood
Compelling, though I did notice you left out the Freo Dogs game which had an even count.

Also, the Port Dees game which was slightly in favour of the Dees.

I don't like the truth to get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

Neither Freo or the Dogs are likely to be contenders this year (just ask Rocket) - so does anyone care about this result?

As for Port - the score indicates this game was a non-event from early on (Melbourne must've been awful). Tredrea 5 frees and 5 goals 5 - And the umps in this game included Stuart Wenn & D Goldspink - weird! One thing, tho, the other ump, Woodcock, is from SA.

[Tooth Fairy]

Re: Am i paranoid?

Originally posted by Agent 86
Have a look at these free kick numbers for non-Vic teams in the top 8 for Round 15.

Kangaroos 28 vs West C. 16
Brisbane 11 vs Collingwood 21
Hawks 25 vs Adelaide 17
Sydney 13 vs Geelong 25

Anybody see a pattern here?

that your obsessive?

I know, I know, it's all a big conspiracy. Those nasty Vics will come after you if you keep raving.

[Agent 86]

Re: Re: Am i paranoid?

Originally posted by Tooth Fairy
that your obsessive?

I know, I know, it's all a big conspiracy. Those nasty Vics will come after you if you keep raving.

Fair enough - but it's not like I'm expecting a royal commission or anything. I just find it interesting.

Like I find it interesting that 2 of the umpires for the Geelong game were recruited from ummm... Geelong. And then the free count is 2-1 to ummmm... Geelong.

[Thunder Shaker]

Re: Re: Re: Am i paranoid?

Originally posted by Agent 86
Like I find it interesting that 2 of the umpires for the Geelong game were recruited from ummm... Geelong. And then the free count is 2-1 to ummmm... Geelong.

Thank goodness we brought our own umpire otherwise we would not have got any frees at all!

[barry]

Re: Am i paranoid?

Originally posted by Agent 86
Have a look at these free kick numbers for non-Vic teams in the top 8 for Round 15.

Kangaroos 28 vs West C. 16
Brisbane 11 vs Collingwood 21
Hawks 25 vs Adelaide 17
Sydney 13 vs Geelong 25

The funny thing is in all these instances the non-vic teams won and quite hansomely (except WC), so the non-vic teams were making the play, first to the ball, etc. Which should in general give away less free kicks.