Swans' Injuries

[Tuesday]

Originally posted by mariachi
I agree - bring back Graino!! (that'd be vogels)

Have I missed something? Graino?

[Schneiderman]

Come on people. We are not comparing apples with apples here:

Bevan - tough tackling and running player. Has one full season's experience and finals experience. Played very well in the EF last year. Disposal leaves a lot to be desired, especially when under pressure, and gives away far too many frees for ITB and HTB. Can run through the lines, but only successful occassionally. Is definately now capable of a run-with role, and is well on the path of becoming a decent tagger.

Moore - tough nuggety player, with reasonable disposal. Tackles well and is very strong for his size. Very young, very green, yet to get enough game time to prove he can handle the pressure of must win games. Has no real role decided for him yet, and is far too inexperienced for a true tagging role. Has low fitness level, and can only be used sparingly off the bench.

Vogels - strong tall player. Good mark overhead, very good disposal and mature footy intellect. Has clearly benefitted from three years in VFL/bush league. Has played the most games of the three this year, including a tough tight final at Subiaco. A little suspect in the defensive side, although has occassionally done very well defensively when required. Of the three, definately the most reliable under pressure, but a totally different body size.

So who to pick? We have a choice of two nuggety tackling types, or one marking option. Naturally the weather has a lot to do with it, but with such an undermanned Saints defence, Roos will be tempted to play one more tall to stretch them. Already the Melbourne media is trying to paint the Swans forward line as short, so Vogels would throw in an extra spanner.

My preference is Vogels, unless it is pissing down Thur/Fri at the G. More experience and better footy brain. Eski and Moore are far too green for such a crunch match, and Bevo did not look up to the mark on Fri (probably due to lack of game time this year). Only other option is Saddington, and its not a bad tall option either.

[cressakel]

Originally posted by Ruckman
What tosh, Dempster's played almost all this year, Bevan played all last year and Schneider all the year before?
Malceski it a prospect but his body doesn't exactly scream "ready for final football" does it?

True, True - but those players mentioned are the exception rather than the rule. And let's not forget that Malceski has come back from a knee reco this season.....

Dempster has been Bevan like all year, but somehow never gets dropped - go figure.....

[mariachi]

Originally posted by Tuesday
Have I missed something? Graino?

Obscure perhaps. Vogels - the original multigrain bread - hence Graino. It does roll nicely off the tongue...

[mariachi]

Dempster has been Bevan like all year, but somehow never gets dropped - go figure.....


Different roles. At least Dempster sticks with his man, and his disposal is smarter and more accurate than Bevan's with far fewer clangers. He's provided some excellent kicks into forward 50 this year. He reminds me of Tiberius from a few years ago - sticks his man, plays the percentage and uses his head. A quiet achiever

(Tiberius is the magnificent Brett Kirk - I'm new to the forum and using my own nicknames for some of the guys - comes from James T Kirk for those of you with a trekkie heritage)

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by Nico
I have watched the last Q about 6 times. I cannot see where Bevan had an effective stat. He had a kick over his shoulder that a Geelong player marked, dropped a sitter of a mark and got outmarked by Milburn. He had no idea where the footy was.

Bevan has no idea and has gone backwards at a 100 miles an hour. I have been reliably informed that his reserves form has been woeful. So how does he get a game? He is no good.

Anyone in for him is an improvement.

I agree that he was pretty ordinary. But you can't tell me that mark was a 'sitter'. Have you got any idea of the courage he showed running back with the flight of the ball? Mathews would have just sat and waited. Yeah he dropped the mark, but it was gutsy.

[Tuesday]

Originally posted by mariachi
Obscure perhaps. Vogels - the original multigrain bread - hence Graino. It does roll nicely off the tongue...

eh.
We have yet to bestow a decent nickname upon him, though we are patient and know that something will emerge soon enough.

Welcome to the Official Luke Vogels Bandwagon, Mariachi!

Btw, Dempster has been dropped this year, but has put in a solid effort since returning to the seniors. I have been surprised at just how calm and mature he is as a player, especially considering this is his debut season.

And PS: Voges can play defensively. Against Wet Toast the other day, he ranked third in tackles and only saw 25 mins game time. Plus he won the Hampden League's B&F last year as a CHB. He's tall and versatile: The perfect option for selection this week, IMHO. Roosy should really start using him in combination with Hall, not simply as a substitute.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Tuesday
And PS: Voges can play defensively. Against Wet Toast the other day, he ranked third in tackles and only saw 25 mins game time. Plus he won the Hampden League's B&F last year as a CHB.

The trump card down back? Or the extra tall up forward?

I certainly agree he should be in for this week.

[barry]

Originally posted by Tuesday

And PS: Voges can play defensively. Against Wet Toast the other day, he ranked third in tackles and only saw 25 mins game time. Plus he won the Hampden League's B&F last year as a CHB. He's tall and versatile: The perfect option for selection this week, IMHO. Roosy should really start using him in combination with Hall, not simply as a substitute.

The wrong sort of stats for a forward. Means he's chasing tail.

Pick Vogels as a forward, if we need another forward. But if we need a tall defender, it would be a huge risk to put his first AFL game in defense against Reiwoldt or Gehrig. Schauble would be a better option.

IMO, since its wet, the only change required is Out: Bevan, In: Moore. If Willo's out. then bring in Malceski or McVeigh.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by barry
The wrong sort of stats for a forward. Means he's chasing tail.

Er barry, how can I say this that may possibly not be the best way of phrasing things.

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by barry
The wrong sort of stats for a forward. Means he's chasing tail.

That didn't seem to affect Wayne Carey.

[Sanecow]

As far as questionable footy vernacular goes, "chasing tail" is no worse than "double teaming".

[ScottH]

Originally posted by Sanecow
As far as questionable footy vernacular goes, "chasing tail" is no worse than "double teaming".

Milne and Montagna??

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by ScottH
Milne and Montagna??

Dude, please, I'm eating.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by Sanecow
As far as questionable footy vernacular goes, "chasing tail" is no worse than "double teaming".

Mrs Ruckman goes into hysterics whenever any player is named as suffering a groin strain.

Speaking of which I can not believe Fraser Gehrig is still playing, did anyone else see the splits he did?

I wonder whether Roosy will send someone to test-out the injury?