Umpiring Farce

[floppinab]

Originally posted by humphrey bear
Craig Davis is a good bloke and has always had his heart in the right place in his efforts for football in Sydney.

He gets A+ for effort .

He gets F for effectiveness and the results of those efforts.

Not a bad summary but F is probably a bit harsh I'd probably say C+.

He's still running those personal highlights tapes at his Level 1 courses. Just a trifle OTT IMO.

[swansrock4eva]

And I thought it was just me thinking that was OTT! time in Level 1 courses is limited enough as is, without things like that!

[wheels27]

Hard to argue given the state of our senior footy at the moment. Despite whether I think Davo is a good bloke.

As I previously mentioned, I get the feeling there is very little if any thought given to the impact of decisions made on all involved at the club level.
Something might seem like a good idea at the top level, (like having 85-odd umpires per game) but the trickle down through the ranks burns everyone else (we have no umpires available!!)
All clubs in Sydney pay their fees (exorbitent given costs in country NSW leagues i.e. Leisure Coast) and should be given consideration.....

[tara]

Originally posted by Woodsy
(via all those nasty University teams that you hate so much tara).

Never said I hated the all those Uni sides. I think the blokes at Mac Uni are a pretty good bunch and would say the same about UTS and NSW Uni. In fact UTS should be congratulated on what they have achieved in a short space of time.

MY gripe is that the Uni sides have an advantage above all suburban sides when it comes to funds at their disposal (or the ability to attact sponsorships) and the NSW AFL does nothing to address this. No one here is asking for hand outs just assistance in promoting our sides so that we have the opportunity to attract players to our clubs. The league opened padoras box allowing sides like Sydney Uni to field four sides. Regardless of what player payments they make (oops I should say sporting schoolarships) the simple fact is a Club such as Syndey Uni with that amount of players at their disposal will always have the upper hand against sides like Penrith, Parra, South West, Cronulla, Norwest etc.

[tara]

Woodsy your missing the point again. My chip is with the NSW AFL and the bull@@@@ that they spin.

My referense reference to the Unis having and advantage in sponsorship terms is in the reference to the marketability of the Unis sides as opposed to the Suburban sides. UTS and Barcardi are a prime example of this. A suburban side in NSW would never have got that type of sponsorship becuase we couldnt have been able to offer them the same exposure that the Uni's can. Im not advocating that clubs are treated differently but the AFL needs to promote senior footy better in general.


"A final point, though, that will warm your heart, tara. Due to the fact that we have elected a bunch of right wing zealots to run our country, your dreams could be answered. With the abolition of complusory Student Unionism, sporting activities on our nations campuses will be decimated in 2007 and thankfully for you this includes AFL clubs. Yes, all our riches will evaporate and your level playing field will magically appear. "



You dont know who I vote for or what my political beliefs are but just so you know Ive paid my fair share or Student Union Fees. Unfortunately the Student Union where I was decided a bar was more important than sporting facilities. Didnt really bother me but I really would have prefer the use of a gym given Ive got a family and hanging in Uni bars would have seen my balls cut off. Also I dont like that spineless little @@@@@ Johnny H. He couldnt implement the GST correctly and bent over for that little slut Natasha at the Democrats to get it through, when the reality is that in its current format we are no better off than with the previous tax system. Except to say that he keeps coming up with wonderfull surpluses and trys to tell us how wonderfull he is with the money hes going to spend on the communities blah blahblah

The only clubs I have a dislike of are not disliked because they are Uni's (the only club I hate isnt aUni anyway) but becuase of how they conduct themselves on the field.

As far as fielding mutiple sides do you honestly think that Penno and the other SFL clubs fielding third Division sides hasnt had an effect. If you do tell that to Pekay and the other sides out here. The league should have made them play in our divison not the next one down. How is is that NSW Uni cannot field a team in our comp but have to serperate teams in thirds?


I can understand Sydney Uni wanting to keep all those numbers but at the end of the day they shouldnt be playing in this division. They are a cut above and good luck to them.

Hopefully we can see the implementation of the promotion and relegation model that the AFL has on its agenda in the near future.

"My understanding and experience is that the number of scholarship holders is no more than 2 - 3 per Uni and that it is usually in the region of $500 - 2000. Hardly buying premierships is it?"

Yep those figures sound about right (have a mate whos daugher is on a Baseball one with Syd Uni and playing the mens teams). But please dont tell me thats the only cash bandied around to players. Im not saying everyone does it but it does happen. I know of a number of players who were getting paid cash on the side or other fringe benefits.

[Trusty No 30]

Tara,

Which club are you not a fan of?

[Irish_33]

Originally posted by Trusty
Tara,

Which club are you not a fan of?

I'll put my money on a struggling western club that starts with P. Am I right?

[tara]

Originally posted by Trusty
Tara,

Which club are you not a fan of?

Trusty whilst Parra isnt exactly my favourite after a bit of a blue with someone last year and a questionable game there last year it is in fact the our old foe Manly. I used to hate Liverpool with a passion when playing at Bankstown but you know what happenned there.

Last time I played Manly at Weldon with Bankstown we were getting flogged by at least 30 goals when a Manly player king hit Whale (now and formerly of western suburbs) from behind after he kicked out first goal late in the game well after he disposed of the ball.

If your going to hit someone at least be a man and do it whilst they are looking at you.

Hate is probably too stong a work but think Carlton Collingwood and you probaly are close.

[wheels27]

Originally posted by Woodsy
(2) Yes, the Uni clubs have good facilities they get for no cost but to suggest that they are rolling in cash in simply untrue. My understanding and experience is most Unis get enough to pay their affiliation fees and perhaps jerseys from the Uni Associations but don't forget that students pay good money for their Sports Association membership. Also , non-students need to be members of the Sports Association which means that almost 100% of non-student fees go to the uni and not the club. What warped level playing field do you suggest tara?

(3) My understanding and experience is that the number of scholarship holders is no more than 2 - 3 per Uni and that it is usually in the region of $500 - 2000. Hardly buying premierships is it?

These points that you make to prove unis get no assistance actually do the exact opposite. ALL of a clubs sponsorship, fundraising and rego dollars go to payment of affiliation fees, jerseys, council rent, electricity and water etc., then maybe, if you can attract them, to pay a player or two.

All these things are covered in your points so what exactly do the uni clubs actually need money for other than to fund a free pissup for all, or maybe a harbour cruise a couple of times a year.

Commitees in our comps work their proverbials off to generate the funds necessary to survive, whereas unis generate money, if they feel like it, to have fun. No wonder they can attract five and six times the number of players of the normal footy clubs.

Thank god the unis at least make you all pay Sports Association fees of some description, recouping a tiny part of the support uni clubs are given, yet, given your attitude, Woodsy, some at these clubs are deluded enough to think they are under the same conditions as non-uni clubs.

[wheels27]

on what do you base the assertion that Uni clubs are run more professionally than non-Uni?

Again, as you suggest, financial stability is the cornerstone of a clubs existence, and you have shown that those running the Uni clubs have little or nothing to do with their financial stability.

I have no personal gripe with any club I play against, the Sydney footy community is so small I feel a real affinity with anyone involved in local footy (Uni or whatever).

The disturbing part of your argument is the insinuation that all district clubs are poorly run rabbles run by ill-educated hicks, an attitude which seems frighteningly similar to that of the NSWAFL to our level of footy (Uni clubs included), which you find so offensive.

[Irish_33]

Here Here

[tara]

Originally posted by wheels27
on what do you base the assertion that Uni clubs are run more professionally than non-Uni?

Again, as you suggest, financial stability is the cornerstone of a clubs existence, and you have shown that those running the Uni clubs have little or nothing to do with their financial stability.

I have no personal gripe with any club I play against, the Sydney footy community is so small I feel a real affinity with anyone involved in local footy (Uni or whatever).

The disturbing part of your argument is the insinuation that all district clubs are poorly run rabbles run by ill-educated hicks, an attitude which seems frighteningly similar to that of the NSWAFL to our level of footy (Uni clubs included), which you find so offensive.

Dont be so logical Wheels.

Remember I am nothing more than a tattooed Harley riding thug.



Well thats the easy first impression for most who see me on a footy field. As opposed to those who work with me and assume that I am a privately schooled, uni educated Financial Accountant whose probably a churchie on the weekend .

All true except for the thug and churchie part. But hey people prefer to judge a book by its cover than read it.

[wheels27]

You mean you're not a churchie!?!?

[wheels27]

Originally posted by Woodsy
(3) "The disturbing part of your argument is the insinuation that all district clubs are poorly run rabbles run by ill-educated hicks, an attitude which seems frighteningly similar to that of the NSWAFL to our level of footy (Uni clubs included), which you find so offensive" - Bull@@@@! Nice to see another SW Sydney player/official with a king-sized chip on their shoulder.

Attitude confimed.

[tara]

So you know our affiliation Woodsy whats yours? Or are you just a troll.