Campbelltown vs St George

[Coastal Boy]

Just a thought. If Campbelltown win their next 2(norths and wests) and St George lose their next two(ECE and Gong), then the Roos will leap frog them into 4th place, if I am not mistaken. What are the realistic chances this may happen? Makes that draw decision real important.....

[Johno74]

Granted anything is possible but can see C'town getting over the Bombers at Monarch, but Wests should account for them in the last round.

As for the Crows, ECE will go in red hot favourites this weekend at Henson, but the Crows are capable of an upset. If they find some form I think they match up better with ECE than Wests. The Gong are always a better side at home but need to have every player firing on the same day which hasn't happened that often this year.

So I think the ladder will be unchanged with ECE, Wests, Penno and then Crows.

Here's hoping we have a great finals series.

[Donald Duck]

Campbelltown vs St George

I have been reading some of the hysterical stuff that has been written about this issue. Firstly, let me say that I don?t support either St George or Campbelltown (too far from the Manly surf for my liking!), but I find some of the things that have been written laughable. We have a guy who hides behind the name of a fury bear who wears no pants calling a club gutless, as well as others, and all sorts of other defamatory things which is pretty hypocritical in itself. We all hide behind names here but hopefully don?t call clubs and its volunteers things we wouldn?t have the courage to say with our own names on display. Let?s go through the real issues here ? they are pretty simple.

Campbelltown were the ones who couldn?t accept the umpires decision and lodged the appeal after the umpires had waved the flags and started the whole thing going. I can easily understand their disappointment but I find it hard to believe that a club playing in the SFL and with a coach of their experience didn?t know such a well publicised rule before they appealed. The fact they seem to have forgotten it is laughable. I have read that this rule is an obscure rule ? what a joke. The field umpires signed things off as well. The time keepers card (I think I am right) showed it as a one point win to St George.

The SFL should also know the rules of the game they are supposed to be in charge of and when they received the complaint should have just stopped it there straight away. Instead, they incompetently or arrogantly let it drag on giving the issue life which is not fair on Campbelltown, St George or the umpires involved. I feel sorry for the umpires who having made a mistake ? gee, that?s never happened before ? because they have not been supported by the SFL. No wonder we have trouble getting them.

Then St George exercises their right to contest an obviously dumb decision and the way the SFL went about things and won, which if my mail is right was one of the shortest appeals in history such was the obvious nature of the evidence. Obscure rule? I don?t think so.

Now I read other excuses coming from Campbelltown who still can?t accept the umpire?s decision. They talk about the report of 2 St George boys and the effect it had on play. They forgot to mention the circumstances they were reported in ? serious racial vilification in front of the boy?s parents was the cause. Nothing happens to the Campbelltown player but the St George player out of respect to the indigenous kids at Campbelltown doesn?t take it further. The Campbelltown player gets off free and St George player misses a state game. Want to talk about dignity? And they are using this as an excuse?

St George as a club has remained quiet in all of this. Their web page just refers to the SFL release. I bet there were a few things they would like to say but haven?t. I also bet there were a few other umpiring errors that day because that is football. Did they look at those decisions and the effect they had on the game? That is the very reason they don?t use video evidence in umpiring errors at any level to change decisions ? this was not a discipline thing remember.

Lets also remember who was running the score board. Campbelltown. I would hate to think what would have happened if St George rushed behind in defence because they thought they had a two point buffer. I bet Campbelltown would have been saying ?bad luck guys ? the umpires waved all clear.?

Right ? I am waddling off to never to return to this nonsense. Donald Duck has left the building. Surfs up.

[humphrey bear]

Donald

Complete tripe from the first word to the last.

The scoreboard, the scorecard and all your other so called points are not the real issue.

I am sure the reason St George havent responded here or on their website is because they are to embarassed.

[Roo]

Donald i think that "Manly Surf" has got to your head.

I suggest you head back there because you talk garbage.

PS. I think you will find that you are hiding behind the name of a cartoon character that also wears no pants....

[KangaCoach]

It strikes me as strange that someone who lives in Manly and has no ties to either club can be bothered with such an exhausting reply to a topic that he supposedly has no vested interest in?

Then to attempt a thinly veiled neutral response that suggests myself and the football club are not only incompetent but are the ones lacking in dignity.

If anyone can judge that an appeal to an obvious and now founded recording error as stupidity and lack of dignity then I will take it every time over lodging an appeal against a decision known to be incorrect in the effort to get a win that I or my team were not good enough to win. I would rather be dumb and honest!

If you knew us much? or as little as you say you do on the topic you will know that the scoreboard, timekeeper and field umpires opinion and signature is irrelevant once the Goal Umpires AGREE on the score. The fact that they changed the scores on their cards and had the incorrect scores is irrelevant as long as they AGREE.

As for your response to the supposed excuses about free kicks, like you I was merely pointing out "a laughable and obvious rule".

Interesting to note your very honest and dignified comments on a subject that you alone seem to know a great deal about and have been prepared to talk about when you yourself mentioned that out of respect it was not made public.....good thing you don't support either club because I am sure both clubs would be disappointed with your comments.

I am sure since you have gone to great lengths to explain how removed your are from the topic and do not intend to return that you will probably not read this reply....and if you do return you will of confirmed my thoughts.

[KangaCoach]

Re: Campbelltown vs St George

Originally posted by Donald Duck
I have been reading some of the hysterical stuff that has been written about this issue. Firstly, let me say that I don?t support either St George or Campbelltown (too far from the Manly surf for my liking!), but I find some of the things that have been written laughable. We have a guy who hides behind the name of a fury bear who wears no pants calling a club gutless, as well as others, and all sorts of other defamatory things which is pretty hypocritical in itself. We all hide behind names here but hopefully don?t call clubs and its volunteers things we wouldn?t have the courage to say with our own names on display. Let?s go through the real issues here ? they are pretty simple.

Campbelltown were the ones who couldn?t accept the umpires decision and lodged the appeal after the umpires had waved the flags and started the whole thing going. I can easily understand their disappointment but I find it hard to believe that a club playing in the SFL and with a coach of their experience didn?t know such a well publicised rule before they appealed. The fact they seem to have forgotten it is laughable. I have read that this rule is an obscure rule ? what a joke. The field umpires signed things off as well. The time keepers card (I think I am right) showed it as a one point win to St George.

The SFL should also know the rules of the game they are supposed to be in charge of and when they received the complaint should have just stopped it there straight away. Instead, they incompetently or arrogantly let it drag on giving the issue life which is not fair on Campbelltown, St George or the umpires involved. I feel sorry for the umpires who having made a mistake ? gee, that?s never happened before ? because they have not been supported by the SFL. No wonder we have trouble getting them.

Then St George exercises their right to contest an obviously dumb decision and the way the SFL went about things and won, which if my mail is right was one of the shortest appeals in history such was the obvious nature of the evidence. Obscure rule? I don?t think so.

Now I read other excuses coming from Campbelltown who still can?t accept the umpire?s decision. They talk about the report of 2 St George boys and the effect it had on play. They forgot to mention the circumstances they were reported in ? serious racial vilification in front of the boy?s parents was the cause. Nothing happens to the Campbelltown player but the St George player out of respect to the indigenous kids at Campbelltown doesn?t take it further. The Campbelltown player gets off free and St George player misses a state game. Want to talk about dignity? And they are using this as an excuse?

St George as a club has remained quiet in all of this. Their web page just refers to the SFL release. I bet there were a few things they would like to say but haven?t. I also bet there were a few other umpiring errors that day because that is football. Did they look at those decisions and the effect they had on the game? That is the very reason they don?t use video evidence in umpiring errors at any level to change decisions ? this was not a discipline thing remember.

Lets also remember who was running the score board. Campbelltown. I would hate to think what would have happened if St George rushed behind in defence because they thought they had a two point buffer. I bet Campbelltown would have been saying ?bad luck guys ? the umpires waved all clear.?

Right ? I am waddling off to never to return to this nonsense. Donald Duck has left the building. Surfs up.

Remember to swim between the Flags!!

[Sanecow]

What St George did with their appeal is no worse than the sledging, niggling, holding etc that goes on in any game of footy (or any contact sport). The holier-than-thou crowd with their "St George should never have appealed"/"they should have accepted the loss" attitude must be horrified by what some of their players will do on-field to win a game! The stink of hypocrisy from anyone criticizing St George is so great it can be smelled in WA.

[KangaCoach]

Originally posted by Sanecow
What St George did with their appeal is no worse than the sledging, niggling, holding etc that goes on in any game of footy (or any contact sport). The holier-than-thou crowd with their "St George should never have appealed"/"they should have accepted the loss" attitude must be horrified by what some of their players will do on-field to win a game! The stink of hypocrisy from anyone criticizing St George is so great it can be smelled in WA.

Interesting comparison! Also interesting to note that having spoken to a few of the Crows players who played that day, they were quiet happy to accept the correct result of a draw and were also of the opinion that if you don't win the game you should not expect the points.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and obviously hold different values as important!