Fixtures?

[Irish_33]

How can you expect players to be dying to help out when they board can't even introduce a manager or a coach to them two years in a row?? I know things like clean jerseys are really important, but coaching staff are handy too. and not someone who'll do it cos no one else will.....POOR MANAGEMENT!!!!!!

[tara]

Originally posted by Irish_33
How can you expect players to be dying to help out when they board can't even introduce a manager or a coach to them two years in a row?? I know things like clean jerseys are really important, but coaching staff are handy too. and not someone who'll do it cos no one else will.....POOR MANAGEMENT!!!!!!

You call it poor management when a club makes an agreement where to offer a coaching position to an applicant where they will be financially remimbursed, allowed to bring in their own support staff, have 100% controll over the team at their disposal, have their offer accepted only to be let down late down by successful applicant late in the peice .

Do you call finding a new major sponsor who is prepared to put money in the club to enable the purchase of equipment, payment of phsio's, coaching staff etc etc with an agreement to increase the sponsorship in the second year poor management? Yet at the same time the players have a responsibility to the sponsor to attend functions to ensure they can see value for their money, verbally assure you (blantantly lie I should say) that they will be in attendance yet not turn up. Is this the managements fault?

[Irish_33]

What players?? There's hardly anyone left! If the management put in the ground work and recruited properly over the last couple of seasons then you would have the players TO turn up. Don't tell me you tried this and that. Every other club seems to be able to do it.

You said the management appoints a new super coach who lets you down......the guy is in the army!! the management new that. He left!! The managment hired him, therefor the management are resposible.
Basically the management are appointed to run the club. The buck stops with them, not any of the players. Am I making sense??

[Irish_33]

Let's get a different opinion from people not associated with SWS.

I'm not saying that the people running the show are 100% at fault. I know they try...a bit.
...but surely they must accept a large portion of the blame. Much larger than the players.
Would YOU agree or disagree???

[tara]

Originally posted by Irish_33
What players?? There's hardly anyone left! If the management put in the ground work and recruited properly over the last couple of seasons then you would have the players TO turn up. Don't tell me you tried this and that. Every other club seems to be able to do it.

You said the management appoints a new super coach who lets you down......the guy is in the army!! the management new that. He left!! The managment hired him, therefor the management are resposible.
Basically the management are appointed to run the club. The buck stops with them, not any of the players. Am I making sense??

Everyone else? Look what happened with the Jets (nealy disappeared and hopefully back stonger? Last year Parra nearly folded - Penrith are in a similar position to us and apparently things are difficult over at Manly. NSW Uni traditionly one of the stronger 1st Div clubs have been in Div 2 for the past few years.

Are all these clubs badly run?

You only know what you see from the surface but dont know all the facts. I can clearly identify when poor decisions about the club were made that have led to our current predicament yet to those on the outside they would have seen what appeared to be a club on the rise potentially. Over the last few years we have seen the damage caused by those decisions. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing but the current commitee have embarked on a plan to rebuild the club and to learn from the past mistakes made so we are able to return sooner than later.

[Irish_33]

Alright then, we'll agree to disagree on this one.

[RPM]

Irish_33 i do take offence to these acusations as i have been one of the longest serving executive committe members for the club and this just seams like a bit of sour grapes on your part not sure as to who you are really trying to have a go at here but i do take offence to it, allthou i have steped down from my committe comitments i have always put my hand up to do what ever is requiered to try to keep the club running in the best posible manner, and as far as you say that there was to be a non-playing committe i do not recall this as i have allways played every year and Bampo was playing as well when he was Pres.

[Irish_33]

I don't know why you of all people are taken offence. The club was in fine form when you were there.

I'll say it again. It's not a swipe at anyone, rather a defence that not all the players are responsible. I do think however that the managment are still more responsible than the players, thats all.

........and i'm 99% sure it was the year after Bamton stepped down.

[RPM]

Originally posted by Irish_33
I don't know why you of all people are taken offence. The club was in fine form when you were there.

I'll say it again. It's not a swipe at anyone, rather a defence that not all the players are responsible. I do think however that the managment are still more responsible than the players, thats all.

No Worries Irish_33 i understand where you are comming from

[tara]

Originally posted by Woodsy
Care to expand tara, thought they looked pretty good last year with four teams including U18s with the Adams clan finally seemingly out of the picture....

Blimey, the SFA looks like being a case of last man standing this year....

Just rumours floating around that they are also finding things tough at present - doesnt mean to the same extent as us.

[DLH]

Originally posted by tara
Everyone else? Look what happened with the Jets (nealy disappeared and hopefully back stonger? Last year Parra nearly folded - Penrith are in a similar position to us and apparently things are difficult over at Manly. NSW Uni traditionly one of the stronger 1st Div clubs have been in Div 2 for the past few years.

Are all these clubs badly run?

Clearly it's a common issue with footy clubs at our level. Generally there are a handful of people who feel strongly enough to want to put their hand up and contribute as best they can. The majority of these people have jobs and families and the time they would like to devote just doesn't exist.

On the flip side there is the playing group, and the reality is that the vast majority, certainly at this level, just want to have a kick in a reasonably competitive environment and at the same time have some fun with their mates.

For a club to run effectively requires a collective effort, and unfortunately most players aren't particularly interested in doing the mostly crappy jobs that have to be done. They need to be hounded to attend club functions and the like that take an awful lot of effort to put together, and in my view don't really appreciate or understand the effort that goes into getting them on the paddock each Saturday. That being said, you can't expect any different when football isn't a particularly high priority in your life, that's just human nature.

Also, when you don't pay players to play, which I presume doesn't happen at First Division level, you don't have that financial stick to wield when you're asking guys to toe the line. You're relying on goodwill, which is much easier to come by when you're successful on the park, thus creating a vicious circle in a sense.

I'm of the view that this on the ground assistance is a real area that the AFL can concentrate on to help clubs in a substantial way. Perhaps one day they'll get the message, I don't know how much clearer it needs to be spelt out though.

[RPM]

DHL 100% agreed.

[shearer]

* The AFL to actually pay for the umpires that they employ, not the clubs.

[RPM]

Originally posted by shearer
* The AFL to actually pay for the umpires that they employ, not the clubs.

What about even supplying an umpire let alone pay for them.

[Pekay]

Originally posted by Woodsy
Annual club planning sessions co-ordinated by NSWAFL with club committees.

We had ours recently at Riverside Oaks......plenty attended, great ideas to come out of it as well..altho we had to close the blinds as the greens were quite distracting...congrats to BMR who finished the day as head of the winning group,a blinding round of 6 under??4 ball that is.great effort tho.These meetings are essential to map the direction of the club.