Sydney AFL Divisionalisation

**tara** · 30 May 2007, 04:34 PM

Offal that would work well. One thing though UN/ES should be in second not third and potentially in 4 given the numbers Im led to believe that they have and the performance their alledged Whales side put up against us earlier this year

. Also by 2009 you should find we have 1,2 and 3. The other side I would imagine there abouts would be Cronulla.

**Triple B** · 30 May 2007, 04:56 PM

What happens if, for example, UTS win First Division and their Championship side does not run last. Do they run 2 sides in Championship League the following year??

**Offal** · 30 May 2007, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by BBB

What happens if, for example, UTS win First Division and their Championship side does not run last. Do they run 2 sides in Championship League the following year??

Good point and in the original proposal we suggested that if a club already had a team in a higher division, they could not be promoted and in that particular season, there would not be a promotion from that division to the next one up and the team who would have been relegated stays up and is spared.

The other scenario would be what if a club with 2 teams finished relegation to the division below where they already had a team? I would suggest the same rule applies.

The other option would be to ignore these rules and allow multiple club teams in the same division, which in the case of Sydney Uni is almost inevitable.

And to tara, pleased to hear of the potential new teams. i would like to think the Sharks will have 3rd team again soon seeing we just got Under 18s back after a 3 year hiatus.

**humphrey bear** · 30 May 2007, 07:47 PM

It is not practical and impossible to implement in so many ways.

It would tear the fabric out of clubs. Under this proposal it is possible for clubs with 3 teams to be playing at 3 different grounds in one weekend and if you include the underage teams 4 different grounds. This would be a logistical and organisational nightmare for clubs and the NSWAFL.

**Rafters** · 31 May 2007, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by humphrey bear

It is not practical and impossible to implement in so many ways.

It would tear the fabric out of clubs. Under this proposal it is possible for clubs with 3 teams to be playing at 3 different grounds in one weekend and if you include the underage teams 4 different grounds. This would be a logistical and organisational nightmare for clubs and the NSWAFL.

For those that have played park cricket over the years - or park rugby league for that matter - it is quite common to have a structure similar to this. The structuring really shouldn't be too much of a problem. Only problem will lie where a club has a team in 1s & its reserves team in 4s and a few players get dropped ...

By having sides play on different grounds it will bring everyone back to the clubhouse/sponsors pub on the Sat or Sun night and find out how everyone went.

The other alternative - which is unlikely - is to have the guts for a brand new club structure to be started (aka A League soccer style) and have clubs apply for a position in a new competition ... with the onus that they must have 5 sides that can play across all 5 grades ... it may mean clubs like North Shore & Manly merging & that most clubs lose their identity ...

What would you do if you had a white canvas & brush in hand & had to structure a Aussie Rules comp in the colony of Sydney??

**tara** · 31 May 2007, 09:16 AM

Why not leave Premier Div alone but make a 1st 2nd and 3rd Div after that? That would work fine. There are teams playing in 2nd Div at present that would be very competetive in 1st div now. How can teams such as SU and UNSW/ES take a game seriously when they are playing one of the other teams like they do at present? How do other sides playing them even know what to expect week to week? Had a system such as this been in place it would have allowed a team such as the Jets to return to say D2 and D3 this year where they would have been competitive and allow them to gradually build in strength.

**The Edge** · 31 May 2007, 11:08 AM

Here is the best solution.

You put all the Uni teams in their own Mickey Mouse Uni division. As they have a million players each most will leave & join other teams. Set up another 2 teams in the city/eastern suburbs.
Then you are left with 3 evenly matched divisions consisting of ?proper team? & the Uni?s can fight it out in their own school boy league. Plus, a massive injection of their players to other teams.

The likes of Sydney Uni mightn?t like it but they are only students so who cares?

**tara** · 31 May 2007, 11:18 AM

Where have you been Edge missed you insightfull comments

Rooboy cant be far away

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**The Edge** · 31 May 2007, 11:39 AM

Rooboy? Rooboy who? I must've been away too long.

Anyway, you know it makes sense.

***Norris Lurker*** · 31 May 2007, 12:47 PM

I don't see that there's any point in promotion & relegation, because the number and strength of the teams will vary from year to year. For example, Holroyd-Parramatta, NorWest Jets and Sydney Uni have each gained a senior team this year, while UTS, Southern Sharks, South-West Sydney and Macquarie Uni have each lost a senior team and St Clair have folded.
I would favour leaving Premier Division as it is; requiring each club in that division to field senior & reserves teams. But as I mentioned on the UTS Bats thread, I like the idea of abolishing First Division Reserves and instead having First, Second and Third Divisions, each with 1 team and clubs fielding as many or as few teams in each division as their numbers and playing strength justifies.
Over the last couple of years, as an example, NorWest Jets only had enough numbers to field one team - but that team was clearly way too strong to be playing against other clubs' 3rd & 4ths teams. It's still early days, but South-West Sydney could be a similar story this year. Would it be better for that team to be playing an even contest rather than the lopsided scorelines they usually created?

The league's solution was to abolish stand-alone clubs in Second Division, which saw the demise of St Clair; although fortunately they made an exemption for South-West Sydney to give them a chance to get back on their feet. But possibly a better solution would be to allow single-team clubs to play in their weight division - not in Premier Division, but at whatever level they are good enough to play in.
I'm not sure how you'd work out which teams play in which divisions - either leave it to the clubs to enter the teams as they think appropriate or have a pre-season grading carnival like they do with the under-18s comps. But, because clubs change their numbers dramatically between seasons, I would favour either of those methods to automatic promotion & relegation.

**Monty Burns2** · 31 May 2007, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by The Edge

Here is the best solution.

You put all the Uni teams in their own Mickey Mouse Uni division. As they have a million players each most will leave & join other teams. Set up another 2 teams in the city/eastern suburbs.
Then you are left with 3 evenly matched divisions consisting of ?proper team? & the Uni?s can fight it out in their own school boy league. Plus, a massive injection of their players to other teams.

The likes of Sydney Uni mightn?t like it but they are only students so who cares?

Worst. Post. Ever.

**tara** · 31 May 2007, 01:11 PM

Norris that is similar to what I have said above but there are a number of issues that would need to be addressed. I have seen a number of teams play this year and it is hard to judge what we face from week to week. For example last week with out weekest side for the year we played a very tight game against Manly at Weldon. I watched the entire UTS v Manly game the prior week and based on what I saw there it would have been a fair assumption to expect us to beat Manly by 20+ goals even weakend by injury. However Manly had a bye in 1st Div and the side that ran out against us was a completely different team. This week we face UTS on Sunday and UTS play Penrith in 1st Div on Sat. Based on Penriths current form I expect a vastly different UTS side on Sat to the one I watched a fortnight ago. Would the league put measures in to ensure a level playing field each week in each Div? Would it even be possible to do so.

**tara** · 31 May 2007, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Monty Burns2

Worst. Post. Ever.

Monty if you knew the Edge like I do you would know he has been drinking again

**rooboy** · 1 June 2007, 10:53 AM

For the good of football this must happen!

This is what will happen within 2 years if not next year. There is only 4 Sydney clubs who will be offerred the below.

In short a super league will happen with no reserves and it will based on providing a pathway for the better players.

Wests will become the Sydney/magpies They will be fed by all Inner city clubs & all Uni's teams

Northshore will become North Sydney/Bombers & Will fed by all clubs in central coast, North shore & Penno

St.G - will become South Sydney/crows & Will be fed by all clubs inc teams from the Gong and surrounding areas south of Sydney

ECE - will become West Sydney/Hills eagles & Will be fed by all clubs in the North west, C/town & surrounding areas.

Newcastle will enter a super team from their comp & be known as the Newcastle falcons

3 of the top canberra teams will enter & the same will apply to them as above they will be feed from below.

And to top it off all Swans reserves will be issued out to the 8 teams in the super league. Just like the SAFL, WAFL etc.

Then this will allow unprofessional clubs to play in their own right in the below divisions.

Sydney AFL Divisionalisation

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