Sydney Uni + Collingwood U/18 Team

[Junior]

[QUOTE=ShortHalfHead;428950]I don't have a problem with that, with the exception that guys from Blue Mountains etc get calls from ECE (If they are any good, of course)QUOTE]

Look at the geographical area you are talking about. If a kid is a tallented footballer hailing from Penrith or up in the mountains and he wants to play the highest level of football he can, really his only two options are ECE or Campbelltown, or perhaps Pennant Hills. He could play for Camden or Penrith, but do we want our tallented kids playing in a competition where they will dominate or do we want them challenged?

I just don't understand the issue of kids in these areas looking to play for their nearest premier div club... just like any other kid moving into senior football.

[Doormat]

Surely you must look in the mirror each morning Junior without your blue & gold coloured glasses on. Should you look at it holistically, Sydney AFL must be strong across all grades & areas to prosper not just one club as you would have it. ECE history proves that you don?t have the answers & the ideals you beam as a club are unfathomable. The label of being the best run club is wearing really thin. Surely those gurus on the board can come up with something else? Have a look at Penno then have a look at North Shore, 5 flags between them in the last 7 years, dozen or so kids developed & AFL listed. Most of these kids are still playing senior football.Please tell me the last kid you had AFL listed? Please tell everybody who gets the exciting hills scholarship? Is it a kid who played his entire junior footy @ say Emu plains or Quakers Hill?No, it being offered to lure kids from Campbelltown & Penrith.
To back this up, when was the last time you developed or nurtured juniors, clubs or schools in your area? I suppose you wont need to will you as Hawthorn will do that for you now wont they.

Consistently seeking an immediate fix by poaching juniors from other clubs isn?t the answer.
And please don?t treat as fools using the ?but do we want our talented kids playing in a competition where they will dominate or do we want them challenged?
The investment that the AFL has in the TPP programme is designed & proven to challenge the better kids.

[QUOTE=Junior;428964]

I don't have a problem with that, with the exception that guys from Blue Mountains etc get calls from ECE (If they are any good, of course)QUOTE]

Look at the geographical area you are talking about. If a kid is a tallented footballer hailing from Penrith or up in the mountains and he wants to play the highest level of football he can, really his only two options are ECE or Campbelltown, or perhaps Pennant Hills. He could play for Camden or Penrith, but do we want our tallented kids playing in a competition where they will dominate or do we want them challenged?

I just don't understand the issue of kids in these areas looking to play for their nearest premier div club... just like any other kid moving into senior football.

[Pace To Burn]

The AFL send out to all clubs the contact details of all kids within a region in the 15-16 age bracket that will be moving to 18's in the next two years. So basically senior clubs like East Coast, Nor-West, Penrith, Holroyd etc all get details of players within that region. I don't have a problem with that, with the exception that guys from Blue Mountains etc get calls from ECE (If they are any good, of course)

Contacts are easy to get. You might get one player moving camps and the parents of that kid decide to get brownie points with the new club and "suggest" other players from their old club are targetted. They have no problem getting the players contact details and passing it on. That has certainly been prevalent this year where I know of two different parents have been actively recruiting their childs mates to "jump ship".

The big issue is that of officials approaching kids at carnivals (happened at Coffs this year) telling them if they switch clubs, they will get "bigger opportunities" to make AFL a career ! Word around was that at Coffs, it was pretty well a closed camp. Parents couldn't get near their kids during the day, but certain coaches and AFL talent scouts not involved with the team, were allowed inside the inner sanctum.

[QUOTE=Doormat;428976]Surely you must look in the mirror each morning Junior without your blue & gold coloured glasses on. Should you look at it holistically, Sydney AFL must be strong across all grades & areas to prosper not just one club as you would have it. ECE history proves that you don?t have the answers & the ideals you beam as a club are unfathomable. The label of being the best run club is wearing really thin. Surely those gurus on the board can come up with something else? Have a look at Penno then have a look at North Shore, 5 flags between them in the last 7 years, dozen or so kids developed & AFL listed. Most of these kids are still playing senior football.Please tell me the last kid you had AFL listed? Please tell everybody who gets the exciting hills scholarship? Is it a kid who played his entire junior footy @ say Emu plains or Quakers Hill?No, it being offered to lure kids from Campbelltown & Penrith.
To back this up, when was the last time you developed or nurtured juniors, clubs or schools in your area? I suppose you wont need to will you as Hawthorn will do that for you now wont they.

Consistently seeking an immediate fix by poaching juniors from other clubs isn?t the answer.
And please don?t treat as fools using the ?but do we want our talented kids playing in a competition where they will dominate or do we want them challenged?
The investment that the AFL has in the TPP programme is designed & proven to challenge the better kids.

Exactly right doormat. They not only approach kids playing at clubs in lower div but are constantly trying to pinch them from Premier Div clubs also. Then of course their GM says we didnt contact them, they contacted us And they really expect people to believe them. I spoke to the Young Gun in question who got the scholarship and was from our club after two others that played at the carnival were approached and told us. I asked him what was going on and he told me the coach of their 18s asked him to talk to both kids and ask if it was ok that he pass their numbers on to the coach so he could ring them, which he did. Then when we asked Dignan why would their 18s coach be trying to Poach/Recruit u/18s same old response.

[Ornithology]

In other words.....

East Coast continue to look pathetic!!!

The trend continues.... Ringing junior kids with promises of "fame and glory".. kissing there ass's so much... (ud think their lips would be sore).

It will only hurt the club in the end!! And quite frankly who gives a @@@@!!

[Junior]

Pace or Doormat, can either of you name the players that received the scholarships?

[Doormat]

Junior you stated "I know this strayed slightly from the main topic but I think that Collingwood and SUANFC have both lost sight of where the majority of talented local juniors should end up if they are not drafted... at their local clubs"

Blue & Gold hypocrite

Pace or Doormat, can either of you name the players that received the scholarships?

[Junior]

well done picking that out. and I don't deviate from that. If a player from penrith or the mountains wants to play with their closest prem div club, then when they look at a map, we would be it.

Can you answer my previous question please?

In addition, can you actually name the seemingly endless list of players that the Eagles have poached for season 2009? Lets stop throwing numbers around recklessly, lets actually put names in ink so we all really know what we are talking about.

I'll start you off, Ben Bourke's transfer has been approved from C'town to East Coast. Skuse and Mendola have had their transfers approved, but they are grown men, big enough and ugly enough to look after themselves. We are talking about poor, innocent, defenceless under 18 kids that wouldn't know about loyalty yet and have been tricked to come to the big lights of the Mighty Well Run East Coast Eagles.

Write me a list...

[Doormat]

Typical response from the Blue & Gold hypocrites.

Would you be so kind to answer my question first?

"Please tell everybody who gets the scholarship at ECE? And just give a brief back ground as to where he played & resides"

Then l will prove with names what you have been doing.

BTW that mighty machine you call "the Mighty Well Run East Coast Eagles'
is a joke. What you are & have done is not working ITS A PROVEN FACT!

well done picking that out. and I don't deviate from that. If a player from penrith or the mountains wants to play with their closest prem div club, then when they look at a map, we would be it.

Can you answer my previous question please?

In addition, can you actually name the seemingly endless list of players that the Eagles have poached for season 2009? Lets stop throwing numbers around recklessly, lets actually put names in ink so we all really know what we are talking about.

I'll start you off, Ben Bourke's transfer has been approved from C'town to East Coast. Skuse and Mendola have had their transfers approved, but they are grown men, big enough and ugly enough to look after themselves. We are talking about poor, innocent, defenceless under 18 kids that wouldn't know about loyalty yet and have been tricked to come to the big lights of the Mighty Well Run East Coast Eagles.

Write me a list...

[Pace To Burn]

well done picking that out. and I don't deviate from that. If a player from penrith or the mountains wants to play with their closest prem div club, then when they look at a map, we would be it.

Can you answer my previous question please?

In addition, can you actually name the seemingly endless list of players that the Eagles have poached for season 2009? Lets stop throwing numbers around recklessly, lets actually put names in ink so we all really know what we are talking about.

I'll start you off, Ben Bourke's transfer has been approved from C'town to East Coast. Skuse and Mendola have had their transfers approved, but they are grown men, big enough and ugly enough to look after themselves. We are talking about poor, innocent, defenceless under 18 kids that wouldn't know about loyalty yet and have been tricked to come to the big lights of the Mighty Well Run East Coast Eagles.

Write me a list...

Of course it has been approved why wouldnt it be? He doesnt owe money or have property of ours or signed a contract which are the only reasons you can refuse one. You just dont get it do you Junior. If they want to try to recruit everyone under the sun good luck to them. If they want to try to recruit other kids under 18 by getting guys to approach them in camps etc good luck to them. just dont lie about it when people start questioning you about why a club with two 18s sides already is trying to poach more kids to come play with them to create a super club that can win everything except a Premier Div Flag. They are the only club in my 16 years in the SFL that has chased players u18 years of age, especially from clubs in the same div. Like you said men over 18 are a totally diff matter, and i have stated many times on this forum good luck to anyone who wants to move around clubs chasing coin or glory or to be told how good they are every week no matter how they perform. But as i said when you approach Kids 16/17 years of age you must realise A They are to naive not to tell everyone the truth. B Other clubs wont like it, and C Your own players who either miss out on a game or get dropped from the A team to the B Team will pretty quickly get the @@@@s

[Pace To Burn]

[QUOTE=Junior;429009]

Can you answer my previous question please?


I'll start you off, Ben Bourke
QUOTE]

You answered yourself. Unless of course they have now changed it because of a major blow up

[Pace To Burn]

[QUOTE=Junior;429009]
In addition, can you actually name the seemingly endless list of players that the Eagles have poached for season 2009? Lets stop throwing numbers around recklessly, lets actually put names in ink so we all really know what we are talking about.

QUOTE]
As i said its not just the ones you actually get over there. Its the number of kids you approach (Three others in our case) that there clubs then have to spend the next two weeks on the phone convincing them to stay. You have a huge junior base, have had good results in the 18s the last couple of seasons, why not just develop your own back yard rather than trying to pinch everyone elses good players.

[Pace To Burn]

In addition, can you actually name the seemingly endless list of players that the Eagles have poached for season 2009? Lets stop throwing numbers around recklessly, lets actually put names in ink so we all really know what we are talking about.

Write me a list...

We had six players attend the carnival in Coffs Harbour recently and all but one have now left to play for either one or the other of the clubs to which you refer.

While I don't have a problem with kids wanting to have a go at the highest level they can, if the represenative concept is used as nothing more than a recruiting tool for certain clubs, then we'll have second thoughts about sending any kids along in the future.

What's worse is that when these players' team mates hear that they've gone elsewhere, a lot of them decide that they won't bother playing at all.

Wonder where their playing?

[#31]

we all know ECE will do anything and spend as much as they have to to try an win a prem div flag and they dont care what people say about them but until they have players who have a bit of heart and actually play for the club not the coin they will just keep falling short

[DLH]

Wonder where their playing?

I wonder indeed

[GoEagles]

I would have thought it was common place to recruit kids? Back in the day of being a youngster we had clubs come around home trying to convince us to play for their club and cant see why that would change???????

Isnt that normal? Or do we rely on their parents to ship them to a club they dont want to play at?

Bit of hoohaa about nothing to be honest.