A Sorry Day at Henson Park

[unconfuseme]

It's time to make an example.

Every person involved in "coaching" that SP side should be banned from the sport (and sent to Rugby League!).

It was the coaches, runners, the whole bench PLUS their feral mothers in the Grand stand that were cheering on the cheap, late, high tackles, elbows and scragging that was their "game plan" from the time they got behind!! ... SP actually scored first, led 7 nil, and looked OK when they concentrated on the footy!!

The umpiring was never going to influence the game. The young guys in control were let down by the "adults" on the SP bench.

... YES, it was a mismatch, but hey, sometimes you get that, THAT'S LIFE! ... and it is the responsiblity of adults to show children how to deal with it.

16 & 17 year old kids PLAY THE WAY THEY ARE COACHED ... THEY are NOT the problem.

Get these frustrated @@@@ heads, who obviously couldn't get a kick or win a fight when they played, out of the game for good! ... you wouldn't give the jerks a real job, so why let them do something important like this???

[The Spoiler]

to tell you the truth tara i know a few of the power boys and grew up with them and played a lot of junior footy with and against them for a local club the bangor tigers. so im not judgin them with out knowing them
i also know that they are not ussually like this however im judging them in this instance on today performance.
as for y the player was left on the bench and not sittin sepperate from the team eg on the time keepers bench is that i believe that the umpires had lost control of the game. i thought the umpires who i believe to be 17 were well out of there depth and a senior umpire should have taken control of the grandfinal.

You raise some important points Shine. Once again the umpiring department has not woken up and appointed arrogantly. GF's are always tough games and nothing beats a steadying hand in the crisis on all fronts! Young umpires don't lose control of games if they have someone to help them reset. By the game being abandoned, the second this season, they have let the offenders win. They have also made a statement that if it gets too tough we'll walk off. An older head could have put the game back together and the young umpire would have learnt how to control a game better.The media will have a picnic about this game.Both Southern Power and the umpiring department must be brought to account.

[The Student]

yeh its a bit poor and the leauge have put in place new zoning laws for season 2010 for that very reason bert. how ever it is a bit of a joke. but good luck to syd uni for being the first ones to think of such a scheme and i guess they got wat they were after a flag.

That's exactly what the club were after - a Challenge Cup flag. I am sure the committee sat down and had a good hard think about how they could form a relationship with a powerful AFL club in order to claim the coveted second-tier Under 18s premiership! Fair dinkum

[Midfield]

[QUOTE=The Spoiler;458312]You raise some important points Shine. Once again the umpiring department has not woken up and appointed arrogantly. GF's are always tough games and nothing beats a steadying hand in the crisis on all fronts! Young umpires don't lose control of games if they have someone to help them reset. By the game being abandoned, the second this season, they have let the offenders win. They have also made a statement that if it gets too tough we'll walk off. An older head could have put the game back together and the young umpire would have learnt how to control a game better.The media will have a picnic about this game.Both Southern Power and the umpiring department must be brought to account.[/QUOTE]

Turn it up. The umpires never have anything to do with it, its just those whinging players, coaches and supporters who cant understand that their team is not good enough so it must be the umpires fault. The fact that this game was also umpired by kids puts even greater responsibility on the coaches to lead the way. I don?t mind the game plan to start with, sure rough the opposition up, but for the coaches to applaud this play, abuse the umpires and high five players for red cards when the game was well and truly over is a disgrace. Had the half time or three quarter time speech been along the lines that we will go harder at the ball and take out frustrations of playing a Sydney uni rep team out on the ball, then we would probably be reading a thread about the commitment of the young SP team and how they should have won the flag. Instead those kids had to endure the embarrassment for having their grand final called off 9 minutes into the last quarter.

[The Spoiler]

[QUOTE=Midfield;458318]

You raise some important points Shine. Once again the umpiring department has not woken up and appointed arrogantly. GF's are always tough games and nothing beats a steadying hand in the crisis on all fronts! Young umpires don't lose control of games if they have someone to help them reset. By the game being abandoned, the second this season, they have let the offenders win. They have also made a statement that if it gets too tough we'll walk off. An older head could have put the game back together and the young umpire would have learnt how to control a game better.The media will have a picnic about this game.Both Southern Power and the umpiring department must be brought to account.[/QUOTE]

Turn it up. The umpires never have anything to do with it, its just those whinging players, coaches and supporters who cant understand that their team is not good enough so it must be the umpires fault. The fact that this game was also umpired by kids puts even greater responsibility on the coaches to lead the way. I don?t mind the game plan to start with, sure rough the opposition up, but for the coaches to applaud this play, abuse the umpires and high five players for red cards when the game was well and truly over is a disgrace. Had the half time or three quarter time speech been along the lines that we will go harder at the ball and take out frustrations of playing a Sydney uni rep team out on the ball, then we would probably be reading a thread about the commitment of the young SP team and how they should have won the flag. Instead those kids had to endure the embarrassment for having their grand final called off 9 minutes into the last quarter.

What number umpire are you? The coaches aren't on the field "controlling" the game.It isn't under 12s! You blame everyone else but the umpires."Whinging players"........ which group of stakeholders would that comment come from? Is this a prevailing view? It might explain a few things.

[Shotties]

Tsk. The league should have put Uni in the Premier Cup as requested. What was their logic again?

[DLH]

Tsk. The league should have put Uni in the Premier Cup as requested. What was their logic again?

I think it was to try and deter kids from travelling from all parts of Sydney to "just" play Challenge Cup. They decided that they couldn't just bar them altogether from fielding an 18's team on the grounds of the form that it was going to take, so they did what they thought was the next best thing to discourage the concept.

From our point of view all it really achieved was to send those kids who decided that they wanted to play Premier Cup to another club a bit closer to home instead.

Thank goodness for the new zoning rules.

Who would have thought that the U/18's Challenge Cup GF would have made page 7 of the Sunday paper......

Also begs the question who provided them with the story?

[mountainsofpain]

Footy final cancelled after all-in brawl

AN all-in player brawl forced the cancellation of an under-18s AFL grand final yesterday.

The punch-up involving at least 15 players from the Southern Power and Sydney University sides occurred just before 10am at Blacktown Olympic Park.

No players were injured but umpires abandoned the game with 10 minutes to play giving Sydney University the title as they were leading by 88 points.

How does an all-in brawl only involve "at least 15 players"?

[ShortHalfHead]

Footy final cancelled after all-in brawl

AN all-in player brawl forced the cancellation of an under-18s AFL grand final yesterday.

The punch-up involving at least 15 players from the Southern Power and Sydney University sides occurred just before 10am at Blacktown Olympic Park.

No players were injured but umpires abandoned the game with 10 minutes to play giving Sydney University the title as they were leading by 88 points.

How does an all-in brawl only involve "at least 15 players"?

And how does a 16.14-110 to 2.5-17 fulltime score equate to an 88 point loss?

[Midfield]

[QUOTE=The Spoiler;458320]

What number umpire are you? The coaches aren't on the field "controlling" the game.It isn't under 12s! You blame everyone else but the umpires."Whinging players"........ which group of stakeholders would that comment come from? Is this a prevailing view? It might explain a few things.

Ha! Sorry champ i'm not an umpire, i cant stand it when they blow free kicks and would probably set a world record for the least number of free kicks if i umpired a game. I stand by my comment that the umpires are never to blame (sure they make mistakes but are still never to blame) and its just a way for weak people to vent when they are not good enough. You dont see Brett Kirk abuse the umpire cause he is man enough to attack the ball rather than take the cop out approach and blame the ump. No, the coaches dont control the game, but their alleged conduct during this game is inexcusable and the finger of blame should be pointed at no other.

[mountainsofpain]

I think it was to try and deter kids from travelling from all parts of Sydney to "just" play Challenge Cup. They decided that they couldn't just bar them altogether from fielding an 18's team on the grounds of the form that it was going to take, so they did what they thought was the next best thing to discourage the concept.

From our point of view all it really achieved was to send those kids who decided that they wanted to play Premier Cup to another club a bit closer to home instead.

Thank goodness for the new zoning rules.

Surely there must have been a better way for the AFL to "send a message" than to turn the Challenge Cup into a lopsided Sydney Uni benefit at the expense of the other teams in the competition?

Take that side out of the Challenge Cup and you would have had a pretty reasonable (and fair) competition with quite possibly a competitive finals series to go with it.

[ShortHalfHead]

Surely there must have been a better way for the AFL to "send a message" than to turn the Challenge Cup into a lopsided Sydney Uni benefit at the expense of the other teams in the competition?

Take that side out of the Challenge Cup and you would have had a pretty reasonable (and fair) competition with quite possibly a competitive finals series to go with it.

I guess it was a risk that didn't work out. The AFL could not stop a new team being admitted to the competition and there were no policies in place to stop a club from trowelling the whole of Sydney to get a rep side together. As DLH said, a few dropped out and went to other clubs, but the damage was done. At least some good has come out of it in with the new zoning laws which would have stopped this thing happening 12 months ago.

[Shotties]

At least some good has come out of it in with the new zoning laws which would have stopped this thing happening 12 months ago.

What's the breakdown of junior clubs to senior clubs, exactly? As in, who is aligned to who? I'd be willing to bet London to a brick that it'll turn out teams just as lopsided as they are currently.

[unconfuseme]

[QUOTE=Midfield;458329]

Ha! Sorry champ i'm not an umpire, i cant stand it when they blow free kicks and would probably set a world record for the least number of free kicks if i umpired a game. I stand by my comment that the umpires are never to blame (sure they make mistakes but are still never to blame) and its just a way for weak people to vent when they are not good enough. You dont see Brett Kirk abuse the umpire cause he is man enough to attack the ball rather than take the cop out approach and blame the ump. No, the coaches dont control the game, but their alleged conduct during this game is inexcusable and the finger of blame should be pointed at no other.

At last, a voice of reason! ... and yes u/18's ARE 12 year olds ... with whiskers! ... the only people debating that would be u/18's!

Dealing with adversity by resorting to violence is worst example of unsporstmanlike behavior, not to mention a criminal act, and the act of a coward when incited from behind the safety of the boundary.

... a lack of character from THE COACH was the problem, which should see his coaching career shortened up quite smartly with any luck!

[ShortHalfHead]

Got off light. Tribunal from last week's game:

Sydney uni #2 Striking 0 weeks
Sydney Uni #21 Striking 2 matches

S/Power # 9 Striking 5 matches
S/Power # 18 Striking 2 matches
S/Power # 19 Striking 3 matches
S/Power #22 Striking 7 matches