Bottom 2 teams in Sydney AFL Div.1 relegated?

[No Idea]

Tara -Forgive me for my ignorance, two's in the lower division for the past few years have been playing at a different ground to first grade? If that is the case then Sydney AFL needs to have a hard look at how it has run the league....

Pace, how hard has it been for Campbelltwon this year with the magoos playing away. Them playing in a lower division, has this caused players to leave? Do both grades catch up after the game? Is it hard to have enough support staff at seperate grounds? Can you shed some light on difficulties Campbelltown have faced this year. If not already evident I believe regardless of what comp you play in a clubs firsts and seconds should play at the same ground at the traditional times.

[tara]

No Idea part of the problem stems from clubs playing more than one team in Division 2 and in some cases three teams rather than playing them in Division One.

In the case of UTS this was understandable as they were already fielding teams in Division 1. The others didnt want to get a touch up in division 1.

Perhaps the league should have left Prem Div alone and split the rest accross three Divisions but would it have helped either Balmain of Campbelltown?

[No Idea]

No Idea part of the problem stems from clubs playing more than one team in Division 2 and in some cases three teams rather than playing them in Division One.

In the case of UTS this was understandable as they were already fielding teams in Division 1. The others didnt want to get a touch up in division 1.

Perhaps the league should have left Prem Div alone and split the rest accross three Divisions but would it have helped either Balmain of Campbelltown?

I do agree with you on leaving Premier Division alone and promote the two clubs that are performing well in UTS and Manly.

By leaving the comp as is may not have helped Campbelltown and Balmain 2's on the scoreboard each week, but it keeps the clubs playing list together on game day. Some day in the future these two clubs will be strong in these grades. What goes around comes around.

Another issue arises when say the two mentioned clubs try to keep under 18's who finish at that level and are fringe first graders. I'm sure these players would prefer to play at a club with first grade playing on the same day at the same ground as the magoos. Anyway enough dribble for now, I just realised I have No Idea!!!

[Steamboat]

No idea, it has been hard even though they have only played on different grounds twice so far.I would have to say the hardest part would be for the support staff, there are about a dozen or so hard working committee and mums and dads, but that stretches very thin when you require a manager,boundary goal umpire etc.
Numbers have dwindled, some have gone to other clubs and some have changed sports or are not playing at all.
Having said that, the results of those 2 games have been quite good with a close loss to Parramatta which was very close for the majority of the game, and a win over Manly.Not bad from a bunch of players thrown together by phone calls, who have not seen a training track all season.

[carnthebats]

honestly how often do they play at different ground????? not that often so it shouldnt really be that much of a factor on them. all the teams in the lower grades have been doing it for years so it wouldnt hurt a couple of the "premier leauge" teams to do it a couple of times a year

[Pace To Burn]

Tara -Forgive me for my ignorance, two's in the lower division for the past few years have been playing at a different ground to first grade? If that is the case then Sydney AFL needs to have a hard look at how it has run the league....

Pace, how hard has it been for Campbelltwon this year with the magoos playing away. Them playing in a lower division, has this caused players to leave? Do both grades catch up after the game? Is it hard to have enough support staff at seperate grounds? Can you shed some light on difficulties Campbelltown have faced this year. If not already evident I believe regardless of what comp you play in a clubs firsts and seconds should play at the same ground at the traditional times.

As Steamboat said the hardest part for us is not only the extra resources but we are only split on away games which makes it harder on numbers for our twos. At the moment we are light on for depth if theres injuries etc and sometimes require two or three 18s to back up to help out which cant happen if they are at another ground. Also its alot easier to get the social guys to play at home than travel especialy if they work a half day in the morning before hand. If we had huge numbers like some of the other clubs it wouldnt be too hard but it still does affect your club as the guys generaly would just go home after a split game than meet back at the clubrooms etc

[Pace To Burn]

I do agree with you on leaving Premier Division alone and promote the two clubs that are performing well in UTS and Manly.

By leaving the comp as is may not have helped Campbelltown and Balmain 2's on the scoreboard each week, but it keeps the clubs playing list together on game day. Some day in the future these two clubs will be strong in these grades. What goes around comes around.
Another issue arises when say the two mentioned clubs try to keep under 18's who finish at that level and are fringe first graders. I'm sure these players would prefer to play at a club with first grade playing on the same day at the same ground as the magoos. Anyway enough dribble for now, I just realised I have No Idea!!!

I agree that this would have been the best option. Everyone keeps saying they would compete so put them in and let them. There reserves would also be strong enough to be competitive, have a 12 team comp and stay with a premier and challenge cup for the 18s and grade the rest of the sides in 3 divisions with promotion/relegation based on performance and i think it would be easier on the clubs that have to split and games would still be more even as you wouldnt have the Bats and Manly flogging the likes of Norwest,camden etc(Sorry Pekay)

[cartman48]

I heard a whisper that the league have decided that the bottom two teams in Sydney Div 1 may now be relegated instead of the bottom team as stipulated at the start of the season. As it stands that means both St George and Wests could be on the way out. A shame really when both sides have history on their side and may be going through a bad patch.

For the past decade or so St George magoos have been at the top of the table or there abouts in reserves.

You are kidding right - 4 years ago I was missing games at Sutho's two's and getting day clearances to play for St George... Manly and UTS have shown the arrogant Premier Div sides that they are not as advanced as they would like to think so and no bottom ranked side at any Sydney club will be overly competitive in that Div one comp.

The top 5 sides in last years SFA would have beaten most premier Div sides reserves (if not all) - Clubs with depth Like the Uni's and Penno etc will be the ones to dominate with several higher grade teams in the near future.

The outer suburbs will struggle to be as competitive as those teams fielding 4 and 5 sides.

[No Idea]

The top 5 sides in last years SFA would have beaten most premier Div sides reserves (if not all) - Clubs with depth Like the Uni's and Penno etc will be the ones to dominate with several higher grade teams in the near future.

The outer suburbs will struggle to be as competitive as those teams fielding 4 and 5 sides.

You are kidding me right? I think you are still bitter about playing 2's then being traded out the door each week. Anyway I'll move on, it is people like you that has placed such importance on beating a premier league reserve grade side. My arguement is not one of arrogance stating you CAN'T beat a premier league reserves side, but how it is unfair on those teams in premier league to be splitting their club up every 3 - 4 weeks. As you have mentioned in your single mindness to dribble rubbish about the ultimate in beating reserve grade teams, both Manly and UTS would be very formidable in Premier Division. My point, and it seems similar to those expressed by others is that relegation and promotion should be based on first grade, not second grade. I believe the league should promote UTS and Manly along with their reserves, make premier league 12 teams with the same teams in division 1 and the rest fighting it out in what ever league they wish to choose. Apart from UTS and Manly no other team in the lower division could compete in first grade of the Premier Division, including your Sharks.

[Pace To Burn]

You are kidding right - 4 years ago I was missing games at Sutho's two's and getting day clearances to play for St George... Manly and UTS have shown the arrogant Premier Div sides that they are not as advanced as they would like to think so and no bottom ranked side at any Sydney club will be overly competitive in that Div one comp.

The top 5 sides in last years SFA would have beaten most premier Div sides reserves (if not all) - Clubs with depth Like the Uni's and Penno etc will be the ones to dominate with several higher grade teams in the near future.

The outer suburbs will struggle to be as competitive as those teams fielding 4 and 5 sides.

I dont know about that champ. Uts and Manly are obviously showing that but even Manly has only just got over the line in a couple of games this year. Parramattas ones havent exactly set the world on fire in Div2 and are sitting behind Uts ressies and struggled to beat us at their ground and we didnt win a game last year in Premier reserves. I havent seen the Sharks this year but the teams they are beating are the bottom three premier ressies sides from the last few years and i can tell you the likes of East Coast, Penno, Easts, Syd Uni ressies are a diff kettle of fish than the sides youv'e been playing this year.

[OLDMATE]

Not involved in any clubs mentioned above but i do believe the sharks beat manly 2 out there 3 meetings last year so i think there 1's might be just as competative?

[Remember Me]

Not involved in any clubs mentioned above but i do believe the sharks beat manly 2 out there 3 meetings last year so i think there 1's might be just as competative?

And there depth what is that like. I see that although they beat them twice they finished fourth. Does that mean Holyroyd should be there too.

[Doped Youth]

This has probably been highlighted already by someone. now its a not a huge reason, But a reason i believe the relegation system should work from the form of each teams first grade side is also for when players are dropped from 1's to 2's. they could be dropping more than one division. now i know people will argue the TEAM belongs there but perhaps a player may be put in the 2's to gain form or they are coming back from injury. i dont think many would argue premier division is a completely different pace and skill level to lower grades, so how do these players gain form? another question, how does the 1st's coach view the players progress from another ground?

we need to keep all clubs as close knit as possible on game day

[Pace To Burn]

Wonder what will happen now that Norths look like running second last not Wests?

[shearer]

Id say if it was 10 years ago and J LIvy was running the comp the rule would be scrapped and no relegation would take place.

Id love to know how many premierships Norths ressies have won, now like us they have had one bad season and they get punished.

The whole relegation system is a farce, Southern Power are coming up because they are the number 1 team but all those years were they had to play against UTS, Manly, Sydney Uni & UNSW/ES they were struggling to make the finals.