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  • Tom Wills
    Warming the Bench
    • May 2008
    • 478

    What new clubs will Join Sydney AFL in 2012, 2013 and on!

    From what I am seeing footy in Sydney is going off! Many clubs now have players missing out on their 2nd, 3rd or even 4th team.

    But... what new clubs will enter the comp like Auburn and Maroubra of recent time. Still being relatively new to Sydney I would like to hear from those with more knowledge on where the new teams will come from? I have heard about St Clair... will Westbrook and Riverview Start Senior teams....what about the rebirth of St Ives... would love to hear your thoughts!
  • ShortHalfHead
    Senior Player
    • Dec 2008
    • 1024

    #2
    Originally posted by Tom Wills
    From what I am seeing footy in Sydney is going off! Many clubs now have players missing out on their 2nd, 3rd or even 4th team.

    But... what new clubs will enter the comp like Auburn and Maroubra of recent time. Still being relatively new to Sydney I would like to hear from those with more knowledge on where the new teams will come from? I have heard about St Clair... will Westbrook and Riverview Start Senior teams....what about the rebirth of St Ives... would love to hear your thoughts!
    I haven't heard about St Clair. Are they planning to re-start a club?

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    • Mug Punter
      On the Rookie List
      • Nov 2009
      • 3325

      #3
      Originally posted by Tom Wills
      From what I am seeing footy in Sydney is going off! Many clubs now have players missing out on their 2nd, 3rd or even 4th team.

      But... what new clubs will enter the comp like Auburn and Maroubra of recent time. Still being relatively new to Sydney I would like to hear from those with more knowledge on where the new teams will come from? I have heard about St Clair... will Westbrook and Riverview Start Senior teams....what about the rebirth of St Ives... would love to hear your thoughts!
      The rebirth of St Ives would be a good start or a team based near Hornsby. Also there surely can be a team somewhere between Parramatta and Penrith, Blacktown had a team for as while for maybe a team around there or Rooty Hill. Riverview Old Boys? Think they'd struggle for numbers and support but you never know. Westbrook certainly could but they are so close to Penno and also have ties with Mac Uni. Also there's a huge gap where Bankstown used to be so perhaps they could be reborn in some form.

      Also with the changing demographics of the inner west could you see Newtown being reborn?

      Would be great for Sydney footy if we could get another 3-4 news senior clubs up and running by season 2014 at the latest

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      • tara
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2005
        • 1514

        #4
        Originally posted by Mug Punter
        The rebirth of St Ives would be a good start or a team based near Hornsby. Also there surely can be a team somewhere between Parramatta and Penrith, Blacktown had a team for as while for maybe a team around there or Rooty Hill. Riverview Old Boys? Think they'd struggle for numbers and support but you never know. Westbrook certainly could but they are so close to Penno and also have ties with Mac Uni. Also there's a huge gap where Bankstown used to be so perhaps they could be reborn in some form.

        Also with the changing demographics of the inner west could you see Newtown being reborn?

        Would be great for Sydney footy if we could get another 3-4 news senior clubs up and running by season 2014 at the latest
        For the record Bankstown and Liverpool merged for the last time in 1996 and perhaps you should look at the history and youll see that liverpool and bankstown have a shared history that dates back to 1963 - you should also take note that our club when chosing colours in 1996 deliberately shyed from the liverpool and bankstown colours at the time so as not to offend anyone. Our socks have green gold and blue in them in acknowledgement.

        For the record
        1949 Liverpool formed - competes in Districts comp in 1949 & 1950 - Joins SFL in 1951
        1958 Bankstown formed
        1963 Bankstown & Liverpool for compbined team in SFL
        1964 Banktown & Liverpool Merge and now known as Southern Districts
        1972 Bankstown refroms and splits with Southern Districts
        1981 Southern Districts reverts back to Liverpool
        1996 Bankstown and Liverpool merge and now known as South West Sydney
        2008 SWS renamed Moorebank Sports

        For the record over the years the clubs have worn various colours - Black & Gold - Blue & White hoops (Geelong Colours) - Navy Blue with monogram - Royal Blue and White (Nth Melb) - Green & Gold - Black n White - Black White & Blue.

        As for the huge gap in Bankstown that you speak of Kelso and Rosedale is less than 8km by road - Are their the junior numbers to support another team by 2014? In my opinion not a chance in hell if you expect it to succeed it would only further fracture the area. As for the other areas I cant speak for becuase I dont know but Ii would far rather see Penrith admitted to PD first than those other clubs getting off the ground just yet.

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        • Mug Punter
          On the Rookie List
          • Nov 2009
          • 3325

          #5
          Originally posted by tara
          For the record Bankstown and Liverpool merged for the last time in 1996 and perhaps you should look at the history and youll see that liverpool and bankstown have a shared history that dates back to 1963 - you should also take note that our club when chosing colours in 1996 deliberately shyed from the liverpool and bankstown colours at the time so as not to offend anyone. Our socks have green gold and blue in them in acknowledgement.

          For the record
          1949 Liverpool formed - competes in Districts comp in 1949 & 1950 - Joins SFL in 1951
          1958 Bankstown formed
          1963 Bankstown & Liverpool for compbined team in SFL
          1964 Banktown & Liverpool Merge and now known as Southern Districts
          1972 Bankstown refroms and splits with Southern Districts
          1981 Southern Districts reverts back to Liverpool
          1996 Bankstown and Liverpool merge and now known as South West Sydney
          2008 SWS renamed Moorebank Sports

          For the record over the years the clubs have worn various colours - Black & Gold - Blue & White hoops (Geelong Colours) - Navy Blue with monogram - Royal Blue and White (Nth Melb) - Green & Gold - Black n White - Black White & Blue.

          As for the huge gap in Bankstown that you speak of Kelso and Rosedale is less than 8km by road - Are their the junior numbers to support another team by 2014? In my opinion not a chance in hell if you expect it to succeed it would only further fracture the area. As for the other areas I cant speak for becuase I dont know but Ii would far rather see Penrith admitted to PD first than those other clubs getting off the ground just yet.
          Thanks for the history lesson (seriously, didn't know all that).

          Given that the two clubs existed reasonably strongly separately for over 20 years you would think that eventually the area should be able to support two teams. Maybe not at the moment but certainly at some stage down the track......

          Agree re your post about Penrith becoming a PD club, definitely a sleeping giant that has been disgracefully neglected over the years.

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          • Tom Wills
            Warming the Bench
            • May 2008
            • 478

            #6
            PK - must be on holidays this week as I would have appreciated his historical knowledge.

            While the Penrith PD is a good aspiration, from what I am seeing with Sydney AFL numbers there is significant growth in average footballers turning to senior AFL. Some ex Juniors but a lot of ex Rugby and Soccer. With the new structure we could hope (and Sydney AFL help) grow new clubs. Mug Punter highlighted a number of new areas... whats the likelyhood of 20 mates getting together and starting a new team like Auburn and Maroubra! What about a Div 5 side playing out of Blacktown!

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            • ShortHalfHead
              Senior Player
              • Dec 2008
              • 1024

              #7
              Originally posted by Tom Wills
              PK - must be on holidays this week as I would have appreciated his historical knowledge.

              While the Penrith PD is a good aspiration, from what I am seeing with Sydney AFL numbers there is significant growth in average footballers turning to senior AFL. Some ex Juniors but a lot of ex Rugby and Soccer. With the new structure we could hope (and Sydney AFL help) grow new clubs. Mug Punter highlighted a number of new areas... whats the likelyhood of 20 mates getting together and starting a new team like Auburn and Maroubra! What about a Div 5 side playing out of Blacktown!
              Although it would be sensational for Penrith to be in PD, it's a long way off (though somewhere in the plans). The club is developing local talent through the junior pathway as well as getting quite a few new players (from other sports) into the mix. However, it's a herculean challenge to aspire to PD status given it will be always tough to recruit players from outside the area which clubs closer to the city have.

              The idea of new clubs popping up is good. So long as their admission isn't granted without a comprehensive BDP. They would have to prove that they are sustainable and won't just be around for as long as the "founders" are involved.

              Ideally, it would be best for some merging of clubs to happen, with all Sydney Clubs to have PD down to Div 5 and two 18's teams. But we know that that won't happen.

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              • tara
                Senior Player
                • Aug 2005
                • 1514

                #8
                Originally posted by Tom Wills
                PK - must be on holidays this week as I would have appreciated his historical knowledge.

                While the Penrith PD is a good aspiration, from what I am seeing with Sydney AFL numbers there is significant growth in average footballers turning to senior AFL. Some ex Juniors but a lot of ex Rugby and Soccer. With the new structure we could hope (and Sydney AFL help) grow new clubs. Mug Punter highlighted a number of new areas... whats the likelyhood of 20 mates getting together and starting a new team like Auburn and Maroubra! What about a Div 5 side playing out of Blacktown!
                Have a look at the reasons these new teams came into being a bit more deeply and you will see that there is a lot more to it than 20 mates getting together.

                MP what is your definition of competing reasonably strongly becuase I can expand on that abbrieviation into quite a detailed history that would show otherwise and in fact show just how quickly things can turn to @@@@.

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                • mountainsofpain
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 266

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tom Wills
                  With the new structure we could hope (and Sydney AFL help) grow new clubs. Mug Punter highlighted a number of new areas... whats the likelyhood of 20 mates getting together and starting a new team like Auburn and Maroubra! What about a Div 5 side playing out of Blacktown!
                  In some respects, Auburn isn't a new club. There was an Auburn senior club in the late 80s, although they were called the Redlegs then I think.
                  I don't know if the new Auburn club has carried on with the history of the old club or not, or if it indeed has links (eg players) with the old club either.

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                  • mountainsofpain
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 266

                    #10
                    Originally posted by tara
                    For the record Bankstown and Liverpool merged for the last time in 1996 and perhaps you should look at the history and youll see that liverpool and bankstown have a shared history that dates back to 1963 - you should also take note that our club when chosing colours in 1996 deliberately shyed from the liverpool and bankstown colours at the time so as not to offend anyone. Our socks have green gold and blue in them in acknowledgement.

                    For the record
                    1949 Liverpool formed - competes in Districts comp in 1949 & 1950 - Joins SFL in 1951
                    1958 Bankstown formed
                    1963 Bankstown & Liverpool for compbined team in SFL
                    1964 Banktown & Liverpool Merge and now known as Southern Districts
                    1972 Bankstown refroms and splits with Southern Districts
                    1981 Southern Districts reverts back to Liverpool
                    1996 Bankstown and Liverpool merge and now known as South West Sydney
                    2008 SWS renamed Moorebank Sports

                    For the record over the years the clubs have worn various colours - Black & Gold - Blue & White hoops (Geelong Colours) - Navy Blue with monogram - Royal Blue and White (Nth Melb) - Green & Gold - Black n White - Black White & Blue.
                    That's interesting, I was aware of the Bankstown-Liverpool merge in 1996, but I certainly wasn't aware of the previous merger and "unmerge". Many thanks.

                    It's good to see there are people around with a knowledge of the history of their club.

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                    • tara
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 1514

                      #11
                      Parramatta was also in the mix with the other two in the 1960's for a brief period.

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                      • mountainsofpain
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 266

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ShortHalfHead
                        The idea of new clubs popping up is good. So long as their admission isn't granted without a comprehensive BDP. They would have to prove that they are sustainable and won't just be around for as long as the "founders" are involved.
                        Absolutely essential I would have thought. You don't want any new club to be struggling after an initial period.

                        You'd also want new clubs to be going into areas where the demographics can actually sustain them, without draining resources from other existing senior clubs.

                        In the past we've had senior clubs come and go, you don't want to see a repeat of that if it can at all be prevented.

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                        • Mug Punter
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 3325

                          #13
                          Originally posted by tara
                          MP what is your definition of competing reasonably strongly becuase I can expand on that abbrieviation into quite a detailed history that would show otherwise and in fact show just how quickly things can turn to @@@@.
                          Well, for starters Bankstown Sports were a reasonably strong SFL team in the late 80s when they had the likes of Podbury running around with them. I think that Southern Districts and Bankstown may even have been in the SFL at the same time but that may be incorrect.

                          Obviously things did go pear-shaped and now is not the time but I would think if the game was to grow that there should be room for two teams in that SW Sydney region. Not sure how far apart Pennant Hills and Baulko's home grounds are but I imagine they are as close as Kelso and Rosedale if not closer....

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                          • Mug Punter
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 3325

                            #14
                            Though to be fair Liverpool were belted 322-0 by Newtown in their second last season in the SFL in 1984.

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                            • tara
                              Senior Player
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 1514

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mug Punter
                              Well, for starters Bankstown Sports were a reasonably strong SFL team in the late 80s when they had the likes of Podbury running around with them. I think that Southern Districts and Bankstown may even have been in the SFL at the same time but that may be incorrect.

                              Obviously things did go pear-shaped and now is not the time but I would think if the game was to grow that there should be room for two teams in that SW Sydney region. Not sure how far apart Pennant Hills and Baulko's home grounds are but I imagine they are as close as Kelso and Rosedale if not closer....
                              Mate the club entered the SFL in 1982 and returned to the lower divs in 1987 almost folded in 1989 and dropped another div in 1990 returned to the SFA in 1993 and were gone by 1995 so please tell me where the success is. If you define success as a Phelan Medal winner the there have been 8 between Bankstown, Liverpool and Southern Districts.

                              For the record Im a former Bankstown player and I loved the club and hated Liverpool and whilst think it would be great to see Bankstown back the level of juniors in the area will not support it anytime soon - Also as for two teams in the South West your forgetting Cambelltown and their home ground aint all the far from us either and its not like their thriving on the obvious abunance of local juniors in the area.

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