RWO Game Day Thread - Round 3 - April 16-17

[saviour01]

Unfortunately there is a club umpire running around whose incompetence risks turning the games he's involved in into all out mayhem. If UTS had the same bloke who umpired UTS v StGeorge div 4 a week prior you could hit a bloke 30 seconds later and got away with it.

Were you around for that? I thought he was going to hit me when the ball went out on the full and he told me to throw it in. The UTS players were yelling at him that it went out on the full and for me to just kick it. I asked him why would they lie about it and he literally got 5cm away in my face screaming at me.

Was an interesting game. Club umprires will always be contentious I guess but have felt the other 2 we have had were just as good as anything I had in div 1. Let the game flow well which is what we are all there for.

[tara]

Were you around for that? I thought he was going to hit me when the ball went out on the full and he told me to throw it in. The UTS players were yelling at him that it went out on the full and for me to just kick it. I asked him why would they lie about it and he literally got 5cm away in my face screaming at me.

Was an interesting game. Club umprires will always be contentious I guess but have felt the other 2 we have had were just as good as anything I had in div 1. Let the game flow well which is what we are all there for.

Yes i was there. He is a disgrace.

[ShortHalfHead]

I thought he was going to hit me when the ball went out on the full and he told me to throw it in. The UTS players were yelling at him that it went out on the full and for me to just kick it. I asked him why would they lie about it and he literally got 5cm away in my face screaming at me.

Home game saviour. Best if you provide boundary umpires to make the call. I know it's not compulsory, but worthwhile.

[tara]

Home game saviour. Best if you provide boundary umpires to make the call. I know it's not compulsory, but worthwhile.

UTS should ensure their club umpires are competent and are up to date with the the bylaws applicable. He told st george that they had to throw the ball in all day cause they didnt supply boundaries. Div 4 has no requirement for boundary umps as you know mate. Just cause he was too lazy to move more than 5 ft a quarter doesnt give him the right to be an arrogant arsehole. Im a bit biased here but he did untold damage to our under 19 program last year in just one game of disgraceful umpiring.

[ShortHalfHead]

There certainly are crook ones around, but generally I've found most clubbies to be pretty decent, even some that give contentious calls against their own club. But I think you would agree that many club umpires are better than some of the appointed ones.

[The Runt]

The best clubbies seem to be injured players they actually know whats going on the old bloke that does it as a favour for his club can get on the power trip and totally stuff the game. This works well up to the finals when lower divs get "REAL" umpires. Case in point SWS & UNSW div 4 on Sat 2 injured players umpired laid the law down before the game & followed through with it no backchat no late hits sorry, 1 he got a little rest. Best game of lower div I have seen in a while every bloke came off that park stuffed. The umpires even had the confidence to call stuff happening from 50 m away when the other ump was unsighted. Both of these blokes done well very well. Actually had the right attitude.

[Hamstrings77]

UTS should ensure their club umpires are competent and are up to date with the the bylaws applicable. He told st george that they had to throw the ball in all day cause they didnt supply boundaries. Div 4 has no requirement for boundary umps as you know mate. Just cause he was too lazy to move more than 5 ft a quarter doesnt give him the right to be an arrogant arsehole. Im a bit biased here but he did untold damage to our under 19 program last year in just one game of disgraceful umpiring.

If you didn't supply a boundary umpire you throw the ball in. Its pretty standard.

[tara]

If you didn't supply a boundary umpire you throw the ball in. Its pretty standard.

Not what the by laws say in the lower divisions.

[saviour01]

I have no idea what the by laws say, but round 1 at Manly their ump said that if there is no boundaries then they will just ball it up which I thought was fair enough.

I get "no boundaries home side throws it in", it was more the fact it went out by 3m on the full and everyone within 100m saw it, but because we didn't have a boundary the ump resfused to call it, despite all his own club telling him off because it was clearly out on the full.

There were a few other instances such as screaming at players for being too close to the guy after taking a mark when they were clearly 10m+ away. But what ever.

Just looked up the by laws

9.56 Where official goal and boundary umpires have not been appointed by the League, each
competing club must be prepared to provide a suitable goal umpire, whilst the home club is to
supply the boundary umpires to officiate (excluding Men?s Divisions Three, Four and Five,
Women?s Division One and Under 19?s Division Two). If no club boundary umpires are provided
in these competitions, the field umpire will have a ball up 10 metres from the boundary line
where the ball left the field of play. Club goal umpires must be equipped with two white flags
and attired in a club shirt or white coat and club boundary umpires must be attired in white shirt,
club shorts, runners or football boots and equipped with a suitable whistle. Should boundary
umpires not be supplied it is the home teams responsibility to throw the ball back into play on all
occasions.

[Luke Shannon]

I have no idea what the by laws say, but round 1 at Manly their ump said that if there is no boundaries then they will just ball it up which I thought was fair enough.

I get "no boundaries home side throws it in", it was more the fact it went out by 3m on the full and everyone within 100m saw it, but because we didn't have a boundary the ump resfused to call it, despite all his own club telling him off because it was clearly out on the full.

There were a few other instances such as screaming at players for being too close to the guy after taking a mark when they were clearly 10m+ away. But what ever.

Just looked up the by laws

9.56 Where official goal and boundary umpires have not been appointed by the League, each
competing club must be prepared to provide a suitable goal umpire, whilst the home club is to
supply the boundary umpires to officiate (excluding Men?s Divisions Three, Four and Five,
Women?s Division One and Under 19?s Division Two). If no club boundary umpires are provided
in these competitions, the field umpire will have a ball up 10 metres from the boundary line
where the ball left the field of play. Club goal umpires must be equipped with two white flags
and attired in a club shirt or white coat and club boundary umpires must be attired in white shirt,
club shorts, runners or football boots and equipped with a suitable whistle. Should boundary
umpires not be supplied it is the home teams responsibility to throw the ball back into play on all
occasions.

I think it's extremely dissapointing that St George did not provide a boundary umpire for the 4th division clash against the Bats.

According to the match report I read there were games on before and after the 4th division clash at Olds park. Was it impossible for a player who was playing later in the day or who had played earlier not to help out on the boundary for a quarter or a half?

By not providing a boundary umpire on your home ground while other grades were playing shows that your 4th division team is a low priority at your club. It was a hot day and you as a club were happy to see lumbering old players in many cases have the added duty of throwing the ball in.

I'm sure players in your division one and premier division side were happy to hang up on that elevated hill, in their tight polo shirts, schmoozing the crowd while their division four mates suffered in the heat.

It comes down to "culture" and it was lacking at Olds Park for that 4th division clash. In a tight two goal game it could have made a difference to the result due to the extra energy needed to throw the ball in and the impact on set ups.

[saviour01]

lol

[Hamstrings77]

I think it's extremely dissapointing that St George did not provide a boundary umpire for the 4th division clash against the Bats.

According to the match report I read there were games on before and after the 4th division clash at Olds park. Was it impossible for a player who was playing later in the day or who had played earlier not to help out on the boundary for a quarter or a half?

By not providing a boundary umpire on your home ground while other grades were playing shows that your 4th division team is a low priority at your club. It was a hot day and you as a club were happy to see lumbering old players in many cases have the added duty of throwing the ball in.

I'm sure players in your division one and premier division side were happy to hang up on that elevated hill, in their tight polo shirts, schmoozing the crowd while their division four mates suffered in the heat.

It comes down to "culture" and it was lacking at Olds Park for that 4th division clash. In a tight two goal game it could have made a difference to the result due to the extra energy needed to throw the ball in and the impact on set ups.

Luke Shannon I thought you would understand that running multiple teams stretches the finite resources a club has and even when umpires are organised there are instances where blokes cannot turn up. Its not great when it happens but you can hardly stand on your soap box professing you haven't seen this happen before. You stand alone (again) on this one champ.

[Jupiter]

Luke Shannon I thought you would understand that running multiple teams stretches the finite resources a club has and even when umpires are organised there are instances where blokes cannot turn up. Its not great when it happens but you can hardly stand on your soap box professing you haven't seen this happen before. You stand alone (again) on this one champ.

There's a bloke called Graham Glassford who has been managing the umpires for eons who's job it is to attract and retain umpires. I've been retired a very long time so please correct me if I am wrong but the use of club umpires has not decreased as far as I know. If you administer a competition and accept club affiliation fees etc you should supply a minimum number of officials who are up to scratch.

[Luke Shannon]

Luke Shannon I thought you would understand that running multiple teams stretches the finite resources a club has and even when umpires are organised there are instances where blokes cannot turn up. Its not great when it happens but you can hardly stand on your soap box professing you haven't seen this happen before. You stand alone (again) on this one champ.

I would understand if that 4th division clash was the only game on the day. This was not the case. There was a game before it and two games after it.

Hamstrings77, would you accept a situation at Waverley or Trumper where the 10.30am game did not have a boundary umpire when there was an earlier game and two games after that? If this scenario unfolded at the Bats I would be very dissapointed.

[ShortHalfHead]

The league will clarify the rule (9.56) shortly. We have supplied boundary umpires at every home game in every grade so far this year, utilising Under 17's players and paying/feeding them. We've had issues the last two weeks with this, two weeks ago an appointed umpire told our boundary umps they were not to throw it in or even call it, unless the central umps were unsure and ask them. I pulled out the rule at half time and showed him, and he relented (It was also hot, he was probably sick of running in 50 metres to throw the ball up). Last Saturday, the Blacktown coach and manager had a whinge about us supplying both boundary umpires. Said in this comp there were to be no boundary umps and field ump had to throw it up. I did talk to him at the break and asked why he was against it. "We don't train for boundary throw-ins, and we are now at a distinct disadvantage " I'm guessing he isn't thinking of making finals, where they are supplied !!