RWO Game Day Thread - Round 7 - May 13-15

[Coastal Boy]

It should be investigated by the league, after getting all the information, and only then should a penalty (if any) be applied.

I doubt there is anything the league can do....or will do.
The laws of the game do not allow for the governing body to get involved here....it's a game day decision by the umpires like any other.eg 50m penalty or a centre square infringement.

[mountainsofpain]

I doubt there is anything the league can do....or will do.
The laws of the game do not allow for the governing body to get involved here....it's a game day decision by the umpires like any other.eg 50m penalty or a centre square infringement.

I was talking generically, not in relation to this particular situation.

[tara]

Did the "19th man" cross the boundary line onto the field? If not, he shouldn't have been considered in the player count.

No he did not at any stage.

[Coastal Boy]

No he did not at any stage.

The playing surface is marked by the boundary line. The count includes everyone on the playing surface. So not the best decision it seems.
IMO The game should be completed with the scores unaltered and let the league make a decision later.
There are other examples of comparable interest here. If a team unduly delays entering the playing surface to start or continue a game then the match continues when they are ready and the league sorts it out later. It can be a loss of points or a fine or anything. So its not like it can't be introduced in the by-laws.
Unfortunately all of our talk won't help SWS this weekend.

[ShortHalfHead]

The playing surface is marked by the boundary line. The count includes everyone on the playing surface. So not the best decision it seems.
IMO The game should be completed with the scores unaltered and let the league make a decision later.
There are other examples of comparable interest here. If a team unduly delays entering the playing surface to start or continue a game then the match continues when they are ready and the league sorts it out later. It can be a loss of points or a fine or anything. So its not like it can't be introduced in the by-laws.
Unfortunately all of our talk won't help SWS this weekend.

I would be questioning it if these are the the real facts. My understanding is that a head count can only be called by the opposing captain. The umpires then blow the whistle and call on time to be stopped. The also make sure after this is done that no players leave the field, then assemble all the players in the middle and count them. Who actually called the head count and was the above procedure done. If an extra player had been on the field but left before the umpires called time on, they cannot act.

[Coastal Boy]

Well Tara was there and he said the 19th man did not cross the boundary line.
So I'm imagining the melee mostly occurred between the fence and the boundary line. The opposing captain called the count and all players on the playing surface then must enter the centre square. The 19th player should have held his ground literally and indicated he was not on the playing surface. Instead he unwittingly followed his team mates or was directed by the umpire to enter the centre square.

[tara]

Well Tara was there and he said the 19th man did not cross the boundary line.
So I'm imagining the melee mostly occurred between the fence and the boundary line. The opposing captain called the count and all players on the playing surface then must enter the centre square. The 19th player should have held his ground literally and indicated he was not on the playing surface. Instead he unwittingly followed his team mates or was directed by the umpire to enter the centre square.

The player was directed by the umpire to go to the head count which was not held in the square. He was behind the fence when the umpire demanded he walk onto the field.

[mrns]

I hear there was a scuffle in the Wests vs SWS game when a SWS player left the bench and joined the fracas on the playing surface.
This led to the player count and subsequent zero points.
I can only imagine the player in question played no part in the game other than the fight. It's a tough decision against SWS using an archaic law, albeit fully in the rules.
I can only imagine that SWS would have been angry after the game.....towards Wests, the player or the laws of the game.
Over to you Tara....

All fair game at the end of the day, player should know better than to get involved off the bench.

I played in a game last year where the boundary umpires were not supplied by the afl but from the home team, decided to join in the brawl and both got red carded. Players and volunteers need to know their place within the game and realise what they put at risk.

If memory serves me correct, this is not the first time Wests has been smart enough to use a head count during a game, but in the case I'm thinking of the fight happened after the head count, shows people are not a big fan of the ruling :P

[Norris Lurker]

This week's RWO Wrap of the weekend action is now online.

Sorry, no pics this week. Was at the GWS game yesterday evening and didn't get to see any Premier Division games this weekend.

[Mug Punter]

Wests copped their first of the may predicted wallopings they are going to get handed out this year I see.

I can see an inevitable and sad decline for that club. It's hard to see how that dated 1950's licenced club of theirs can possibly trade at a profit and they have virtually no juniors. Plus they've made a couple of exceptionally bad decisions re coaching appointments over the last 10 years.

Looks like an 8 team SFL Comp next year and I think the code will be all the better for it personally

[saviour01]

Wests copped their first of the may predicted wallopings they are going to get handed out this year I see.

St George beat them by 15 goals in round 3. Was that not a walloping?

[Mug Punter]

St George beat them by 15 goals in round 3. Was that not a walloping?

A minor walloping, not the same scale as 165 points, things could really unravel here for We$ts

[JMarto]

Wests copped their first of the may predicted wallopings they are going to get handed out this year I see.

I can see an inevitable and sad decline for that club. It's hard to see how that dated 1950's licenced club of theirs can possibly trade at a profit and they have virtually no juniors. Plus they've made a couple of exceptionally bad decisions re coaching appointments over the last 10 years.

Looks like an 8 team SFL Comp next year and I think the code will be all the better for it personally

Or perhaps a Leicester City'esque premiership winning run next season ?

[mountainsofpain]

The player was directed by the umpire to go to the head count which was not held in the square. He was behind the fence when the umpire demanded he walk onto the field.

It sounds like a number of questions should be asked about what went on.

A complaint should be lodged with the League.

[Pekay]

2007 was the last time I had to call a head count, out at Greygums. I had already been wrongly reported that day (by Petros, the fool) and risked a red card if the numbers matched up (according to him. Again, fool)

They counted 18 v 18. I asked for a rec-count. 18 v 18. Ummmmmmmmmmmm.....

It was then that we sighted the 19th man running towards Andrews Rd and hiding behind the goal post. Scores wiped late in the 3rd quarter. They nearly beat us again too.

The man of integrity in question? Our honourable Minister of Sport.