RWO Game Day Thread - Round 3 - April 22-25

[Coastal Boy]

Student, I appreciate your input onto this forum. Most people (including myself) will hardly mention the club they are associated with but you are always forthcoming. Personally, I don't ever attempt to attack a club or person on this forum and apologise if it's ever taken that way.
With this out the way let me ask you a question.
How many of your current crop are by-products of the Carter-Collingwood academy fiasco? For those who are too young to know, Tilt Carter started up an Academy at Sydney University and promised every young player near and far that he could watch them better if they came and played for him. Dreams of playing for Collingwood beckoned but I don't think too many were realised. But it was the start of the most successful sustained period in Sydney University's AFL history.
I honestly have no idea what the answer is. The results might be too difficult to ascertain. But let's factor this in when we discuss the current unfair situation.

[saviour01]

When Sydney Uni fielded their NEAFL team didn't they/the sydney afl set out a list of KPI? Any one remember what they were?

Be interesting to see how many of them are being met.

[saviour01]

I can't find the mini draft info for 2016 but of those from 2015 only four remain on the NEAFL list and one of them played at UTS this week, two of them played NEAFL and one is being held captive by a club who shall remain unnamed even though he is a student and qualifies to play for us.

Why is it that one of them is playing at their drafted club and the other is "being held captive"? Is there 2 sets of rules? Does Sydney Uni rate one of them higher than the other?

[The Student]

Because one of them has put in a transfer that the club has denied despite having no grounds to do so which has resulted in the player not having played for four weeks. It's a bit pathetic really especially considering that he is a student at the university, qualifies to play for us and has absolutely no interest in playing for a club he has no connection with, half an hour from his home with people he doesn't know. The other is playing at his draft club because he wants to. That's the difference.

Why is it that one of them is playing at their drafted club and the other is "being held captive"? Is there 2 sets of rules? Does Sydney Uni rate one of them higher than the other?

[saviour01]

we don't recruit interstate players to put them on the NEAFL list to strengthen our PD side.

Where in NSW is Aspley?

[The Student]

I'd have to cast my mind back a long way for that - probably the U18 team in 2009 would be the best indicator. Obviously Tom Young, Jarrod Witts and Mick Hartley went onto have AFL careers of varying success. From what I can recall the idea was for Collingwood to house their scholarship kids in one place and be coached by Rocket / Tim Barling so that they could keep tabs on them more easily. Once that scheme was wound up so was the Collingwood involvement. To my knowledge we didn't receive any funding or anything like that and it was only ever to do with the 18s - it was a few years after the craze of Sydney sides selling out years of tradition for a few sets of free jumpers and old footballs.

[Giants]

Where in NSW is Aspley?

Just at the top part mate......

[saviour01]

Just at the top part mate......

I thought only the QLD state of origin team claimed new south welshmen as qlders. Now sydney uni claims Brisbane is in NSW?

[The Student]

It's in Brisbane to my knowledge. Who have we recruited from there with the express aim of playing Prem Div? Are you referring to the bloke who was co-captain last year? Pretty fair effort considering we recruited him to play PD in your esteemed opinion.

And if we did recruit someone that was from Qld, is a student at SU and on a scholarship why should he play for another club? Especially if that club has contributed absolutely nothing to the NEAFL program.

Where in NSW is Aspley?

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I don't recall saying that. That would almost be as bad as us denying a player a transfer to a club he wants to play at when we have no right to do so.

I thought only the QLD state of origin team claimed new south welshmen as qlders. Now sydney uni claims Brisbane is in NSW?

[saviour01]

It's in Brisbane to my knowledge. Who have we recruited from there with the express aim of playing Prem Div?

And if we did recruit someone that was from Qld, is a student at SU and on a scholarship why should he play for another club? Especially if that club has contributed absolutely nothing to the NEAFL program.

So, let me get this straight. You recruit from interstate under the rules that if he plays prems he goes to his draft club. You give him a scholarship to go to your uni.

Now because you gave him a scholarship it means the draft rules don't apply anymore? You can't change the rules just because you give someone free stuff.

[saviour01]

Few interesting quotes in this article Sydney University NEAFL Mini Draft completed - AFL Sydney - SportsTG

Sydney University listed NEAFL players who do not meet the Sydney University Premier Division criteria went into a mini draft to be aligned with an AFL Sydney Premier Division club should they not be selected to play in the NEAFL team.

With most of these high quality players expected to play some AFL Sydney football throughout the season, the new player pathway process should be of benefit to the AFL Sydney competition.

[The Student]

You clearly have no idea how the scholarship program works. People actually have to apply to get into university. You do realize this? So if someone is successful in obtaining a placement in a post-grad / masters or even undergrad we have nothing to do with that. We can't just throw people into med school or a law degree because we are the football club.

So yes, the rules do change when people become a student at the university. They become eligible to play for us under the rules set out by Sydney AFL. My query would be as to why a club would keep someone against their wishes when they have no claim to them. This is not about our club, it is about denying a young bloke the opportunity to play football. If he owes you a thousand bucks in rego, so be it. But otherwise it is petty. Anyway I'm not going to discuss this any further on a public forum. Happy to do so via PM if you wish.

So, let me get this straight. You recruit from interstate under the rules that if he plays prems he goes to his draft club. You give him a scholarship to go to your uni.

Now because you gave him a scholarship it means the draft rules don't apply anymore? You can't change the rules just because you give someone free stuff.

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The rules changed last year. The clubs wanted it scrapped in return for being able to access scholarship players that are at the Uni. Obviously this is of no use or relevance to clubs that have never provided anyone to the program so I get that your club may be a bit behind on the rules.

Few interesting quotes in this article Sydney University NEAFL Mini Draft completed - AFL Sydney - SportsTG

[The Student]

Fair dinkum, we have won two games. We are a long way off winning a flag. As soon as we get the usual ten injuries by mid season we will have Div 1 players rolling out in Prems.

It's simply not fair to the other 8 Sydney clubs that they supply funding and resources and players from their juniors, to SU to run a representative team in another competition, and then run the risk of losing a flag - the Premier Division Flag in the Sydney AFL - to a club made up of those very players and resources ...

[saviour01]

> Recruit him from interstate - doesn't meet requirements for SU PD
> Gift him a scholarship - claim he now goes to your uni and meets requirements
> Complain when people call you out on your bull@@@@ and refuse to comment any more.

And then you constantly whinge and complain when other clubs don't support your neafl program and call you out for stacking your prems.

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The rules changed last year. The clubs wanted it scrapped in return for being able to access scholarship players that are at the Uni. Obviously this is of no use or relevance to clubs that have never provided anyone to the program so I get that your club may be a bit behind on the rules.

With most of these high quality players expected to play some AFL Sydney football throughout the season, the new player pathway process should be of benefit to the AFL Sydney competition.

So the clubs found the above claim to be false? That there was no benefit to the AFL Sydney competition?

[The Student]

I don't want to go into it any further because it's not really the appropriate place to do so. It is with the AFL at the moment so they can deal with it. I don't know who you are, you don't know who I am or if I have a role at Uni so what's the point of discussing specifics on an Internet forum. Like I said I'd be happy to continue the discussion offline if you wish but I don't think this is the best place for dirty laundry.

There's no claiming that he goes to the university. He is doing an MBA at SU. He is a student and is already a qualified professional. The fact that you are insinuating that we gifted him a scholarship to get into university is downright offensive - to him.

Show me where I have whinged and complained about people not supporting NEAFL. I don't care. I have stated this many times. Our success or failure will occur with or without people like you coming down to watch. I made reference to your club never having provided a player because I think it is ludicrous that your club would then happily accept and hold onto a NEAFL player against his wishes. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

> Recruit him from interstate - doesn't meet requirements for SU PD
> Gift him a scholarship - claim he now goes to your uni and meets requirements
> Complain when people call you out on your bull@@@@ and refuse to comment any more.

And then you constantly whinge and complain when other clubs don't support your neafl program and call you out for stacking your prems.

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So the clubs found the above claim to be false? That there was no benefit to the AFL Sydney competition?

You do realize that there was no benefit because we don't recruit players from interstate that aren't going to play the majority of the year in NEAFL right? Did I mention that earlier?