RWO Game Day Thread - Round 6 - May 13-14

[saviour01]

Good call - why would you travel for a 8am/8.30am/9am game for a flogging. Just another point saviour if you ask for teams to go down in grade why not put teams up in grade NOW if they are the one's doing the flogging - (DIV 4 St George)

Mate I agree. We look too good for div 4 this year. Half a team out last week and we still win by 100 with 18 players (and a few injures in first quarter.)

Problem is come finals time the uni's will drop their players and UTS may win their 4th in a row (and not go up yet again). We had 10 players play in div 1 last week and they were up 60-10 at 3/4 time. We have good depth and I'll be very disappointed if I don't captain/coach this side to a premiership.

[saviour01]

Saying that we are probably going to start getting beat now!

Looking at div 3, the teams who went up last year are 1st, 2nd and 4th so probably not too much difference between them. And the team that dropped from div 3 last year is 8th in ours and got beat by 180 by the team we beat 110-1!

[The Runner]

Problem is come finals time the uni's will drop their players and UTS may win their 4th in a row (and not go up yet again). We had 10 players play in div 1 last week and they were up 60-10 at 3/4 time. We have good depth and I'll be very disappointed if I don't captain/coach this side to a premiership.

You are completely right here. Fair to say most would prefer to see St George go thru undefeated and win the flag, than UTS come from 5th and win it with a team mixed in from Div 2.
Considering you misssed finals on % last year, fair to say you'd earn a flag this year, not steal one.

RE: Magic 19s... objectively it seems straight forward. Apparently the only thing blocking it is precedence? Are we really prepared to let policy stop us from kids playing footy in a comp they would probably be mid table in?

Politics aside, kids playing footy should be what we care about most, and it seems lost in bureaucracy here. If Gil was sat down and asked what he'd prefer, surely it's participation??

[Clubman]

Saying that we are probably going to start getting beat now!

Looking at div 3, the teams who went up last year are 1st, 2nd and 4th so probably not too much difference between them. And the team that dropped from div 3 last year is 8th in ours and got beat by 180 by the team we beat 110-1!

Your team still has good players that can play or have played at good level over the years. Yes as you said that they don't train at times so they don't get picked in higher grades. Other clubs in that grade have players that never played AFL - just mates having a kick (Div4/Div5) so that is why the structure of divisions is so out of wack.

[tara]

I say it again there is already precedence for dropping a team down a division during a season.

[The Runner]

I say it again there is already precedence for dropping a team down a division during a season.

What's the precedence?

Clubman makes a fair point. In some other sports, re-grading after 3 weeks evens out the comps quickly. Would re-fixturing be the biggest barrier?

[tara]

What's the precedence?

Clubman makes a fair point. In some other sports, re-grading after 3 weeks evens out the comps quickly. Would re-fixturing be the biggest barrier?

I cant recall if Towns 19's were relegated mid season some years ago Pace would probably have a better recollection but I was definitely contacted by the AFL about my thoughts on exactly this scenario on more than one occasion involving more than one club - one of those clubs didn't take the opportunity.

As I said earlier though the current administration don't seem to be willing to made bold decisions.

[Norris Lurker]

The difficulty of re-fixturing would be why it doesn't happen - and it would be a logistical nightmare.
But despite the difficulty, there may be times it has to happen. With Magic forfeiting twice already and getting belted every other game, there's a case to drop them down. Players aren't going to travel across town for an 8am game where they're not going to be competitive. They're clearly not going to last the season in this division - and that's no good for anyone.

[Clubman]

9.30am I think should be the start of the day for Games. Give teams from across town time (Egs: Liverpool to Manly 9.30 start - arrive 8.30 - leave home 7am ??) Not 8am start leave home 5.30am - Why GO

[saviour01]

Your team still has good players that can play or have played at good level over the years. Yes as you said that they don't train at times so they don't get picked in higher grades. Other clubs in that grade have players that never played AFL - just mates having a kick (Div4/Div5) so that is why the structure of divisions is so out of wack.

Definitely. We have 4 or 5 brand new guys but more than half the team did a preseason expecting to play div 1. Throw in a few who dont train who have played prems and probably would be elsewhere its a very handy team.

When i started the side last year i was hitting up mates who havent played before and we got a couple of hidings. The standard isnt as bad as many thought. Ive had a few div 1 guys say stuff like "if i have to play div 4 id think about retiring" but then have a kick, realise its still an alright standard. We had a swans academy kid play last year and thought he was going to kick 10. He touched the ball once in the first half before i dragged him.

Its a decent standard, we just have benefitted from having a second 19s with all those kids aging out hanging around and expecting to play div 1 but we habe too many numbers.

I dont want to sit here and sound like im bragging and putting @@@@ on other clubs (like i normally do), we just have good numbers this year and are 5-0 in div 1 and div 4.

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9.30am I think should be the start of the day for Games. Give teams from across town time (Egs: Liverpool to Manly 9.30 start - arrive 8.30 - leave home 7am ??) Not 8am start leave home 5.30am - Why GO

Hard though, if we have all 5 at home we are lucky we can play under lights. Penno have a second ground. If we ever get a 4th senior side and a womens we will prob have to get olds 2 up to a decent standard. Because you cant play 6 or 7 games at home in a day on one field. Or just never have all teams at home which ruins that whole club feel people want to bring back with the seniors/reserves/19s structure.

[Clubman]

Definitely. We have 4 or 5 brand new guys but more than half the team did a preseason expecting to play div 1. Throw in a few who dont train who have played prems and probably would be elsewhere its a very handy team.

When i started the side last year i was hitting up mates who havent played before and we got a couple of hidings. The standard isnt as bad as many thought. Ive had a few div 1 guys say stuff like "if i have to play div 4 id think about retiring" but then have a kick, realise its still an alright standard. We had a swans academy kid play last year and thought he was going to kick 10. He touched the ball once in the first half before i dragged him.

Its a decent standard, we just have benefitted from having a second 19s with all those kids aging out hanging around and expecting to play div 1 but we habe too many numbers.

I dont want to sit here and sound like im bragging and putting @@@@ on other clubs (like i normally do), we just have good numbers this year and are 5-0 in div 1 and div 4.

Sounds good - The standard is always good when your winning 180 to 1

[saviour01]

Last year it was better.

We fielded a half decent side away at north shore. Got beat by 10 goals. Very similar to last weekends side at manly.

The last round we needed to beat camden at home to make finals. They flogged us by 6 or 7 goals. We had a good side that day.

UTS have hardly anyone they had last year (i think only 6 or 7 when we played them). Blacktown are much better and looked good.

The other thing is we have mainly played at home. Its well known div 4 sides dont travel as shown by only having 18 last week.

[Norris Lurker]

9.30am I think should be the start of the day for Games. Give teams from across town time (Egs: Liverpool to Manly 9.30 start - arrive 8.30 - leave home 7am ??) Not 8am start leave home 5.30am - Why GO

I see where you're coming from. I recall Penrith playing an 8am game at Gore Hill a few weeks ago. The Rams probably have players living in the Blue Mountains who would have been driving in the dark to get there.
But when you've got 5-6 games to get through in a day, you've got to start early or it'd be a very late night for the players in the last game.
A lot of clubs these days have 5-6 teams. Which is a good thing, it means more people are playing our game. But on game day there's usually a lot more games to get through, so starting early has to happen. I can't see any way around it.

[ShortHalfHead]

I see where you're coming from. I recall Penrith playing an 8am game at Gore Hill a few weeks ago. The Rams probably have players living in the Blue Mountains who would have been driving in the dark to get there.
But when you've got 5-6 games to get through in a day, you've got to start early or it'd be a very late night for the players in the last game.
A lot of clubs these days have 5-6 teams. Which is a good thing, it means more people are playing our game. But on game day there's usually a lot more games to get through, so starting early has to happen. I can't see any way around it.

We always try and work around being fair with fixtures in elevating some grades to a later time if they are from afar. Of course with the "getback" exception of certain clubs And I was surprised we got 22 of our thirds (Div 5) to Gore Hill for an 8 AM start. Yep, they left in the dark, but it was a quick trip in, more than double the time on the way back.

[Norris Lurker]

If you think every goal for and against doesn't count, just maybe it can. Remarkably in Premier Division, between third and fifth; Pennant Hills, St George and North Shore are level on wins and losses, with just 0.67% separating the three teams. I don't think I've ever seen a ladder as tight as that.