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  • william wallace
    On the Rookie List
    • Aug 2005
    • 123
    #1

    Season Format

    The results of this years premiership poses a question regarding the format of the season. In the Premier League Soccer in England the Premiership is awarded to the best performed team over the home and away season. Not the team who peforms best on the final day of the season. Which system is more fair? Which system is more entertaining? Which system do we prefer?

    Me? I'd say i love having a finals series at the end of the year. Nothing during the year compares to finals footy. Teams work for the whole year to achieve a finals berth and then hopefully a premiership. I'd hate to see a season that didn't involve finals. This is the best (and worst if you miss out) part of the year.

    But a team like wests might be inclined to feel a little cheated. They performed all year, except on the day that mattered most. Its an interesting question.

    Thoughts?
    Tags: format, season, Swans, sydney
    • Deledio Fan
      On the Rookie List
      • Jun 2005
      • 26
      #2
      I think it's pretty simple. Home and away games are there to determine who was best within the home and away season. Logic says that the best H & A team will win the grand final, but this doesn't always happen.

      We shouldn't further award teams just because they choke on grand final day - the unpredictability of such events makes it even more exciting.

      Wests weren't the best team on the day (in fact they were thoroughly pasted!), and so they don't deserve to win!

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        • Norris Lurker
          Almost Football Legend
          • Jan 2003
          • 2992
          #3
          North Shore have been on both sides of the dilemma in recent years - in 2003 they were the best side all season but went down to UNSW-ES in the grand final, and then turned the tables in 2005.

          Having finals, and a grand final, adds another dimension with teams having to step up a gear when the pressure is on.
          This year, the round 18 game at Ern Holmes would have been a virtual grand final if there were no finals - but in most seasons the premiership would already be decided well before the final round. Having finals, and a grand final, keeps the interest and the "unknown" factor going for the whole season.
          Also I love having a grand final day. Last Saturday was a great advertisement for local footy - and means the season builds up to a big day rather than just fizzling out. And it was a sensational crowd at the game on Saturday which wouldn't have been there for a first-past-the-post premiership.

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            • Coastal Boy
              Regular in the Side
              • Nov 2003
              • 516
              #4
              IMO, the idea is to build and develop a side which will peak on GF day and be as injury free as possible. Any team should be mentally preparing for the GF from January. The team's next goal is to get into the GF without jeopardising the above concept. This may involve starting slowly to prevent burnout or keep players on the sideline longer to prevent re-injury.

              The team that wins the many home and away games and then falters during the finals should not exalted. They may not have kept focussed on the real goal but the week to week combat. The minor premiership is a nonsense award.

              If AFL chooses to follow the Premier league with a first-past-the-post system then so be it but teams will then prepare differently for the entire season. All teams know what is required at the outset and thus it is very fair. The beauty of finals and a GF is the many ways a team can achieve the ultimate goal and the neccesary luck and individualised approach each team can take. The current system has beauty just as test cricket has so much more appeal over ODI - people just have to appreciate it.

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                • BeeEmmAre
                  Commentary Team Captain
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 2509
                  #5
                  You can't drop the finals, they are the lifeblood of the season.
                  As far as I'm concerned, the first past the post situation for soccer is pretty stupid as you can be second or third all year and obviously be a fantastic team, but still have nothing to play for late in the year because top is wrapped up.
                  Perhaps there should be a trophy for the minor premiers in all leagues as there is in the AFL (McClelland Trophy) if people want to see a further reward for finishing on top.
                  As for the finals, I have made it very clear my opinion there should be a four week finals series, regardless of the make up.
                  The finals were over almost before they started IMO.
                  I would also be strongly in favour of going to a top five as in a nine team comp or more, there are usually five teams worthy of making it - remember, if ECE had beaten NS in round 17, the Bombers wouldn't have even made the finals, let alone won the premiership.
                  "It's up to the rest of the players in the room to make a new batch of premiership players next year," Adam Goodes, triple Bob Skilton Medallist, October 7, 2011.

                  YOU BETCHA!!!!!!

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                    • Deledio Fan
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 26
                      #6
                      Mate, its top four for a reason - top 4 teams are to make it, that is all.

                      You cant just say, e.g. ECE have a good team so they deserved to be in finals and so it should be a 5 team finals setup. There are other good teams that didn't make it, and top 4 is more feasible for scheduling anyway.

                      And, IMO, a trophy for minor premiers means nothing without a premiership. It would only be a consolation prize if that team lost, and would serve as a reminder of their shortfallings over the
                      year!

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                        • humphrey bear
                          Buddy
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 291
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Deledio Fan
                          Mate, its top four for a reason - top 4 teams are to make it, that is all.

                          You cant just say, e.g. ECE have a good team so they deserved to be in finals and so it should be a 5 team finals setup.
                          If it was a top 5, ECE would have run 6th!

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                            • Deledio Fan
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 26
                              #8
                              Fair call, but that was not the point i was trying to make...

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                                • BeeEmmAre
                                  Commentary Team Captain
                                  • Aug 2005
                                  • 2509
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Deledio Fan
                                  Mate, its top four for a reason - top 4 teams are to make it, that is all.

                                  You cant just say, e.g. ECE have a good team so they deserved to be in finals and so it should be a 5 team finals setup. There are other good teams that didn't make it, and top 4 is more feasible for scheduling anyway.
                                  I didn't just say it because it was East Coast. I admit I know more people at ECE than any other Premier League club. Just making an observation from all leagues I've seen that the fifth placed team is usually well and truly ahead of sixth - as was the case this year. Not calling for a top 5, just suggesting it as a possibility.

                                  And, IMO, a trophy for minor premiers means nothing without a premiership. It would only be a consolation prize if that team lost, and would serve as a reminder of their shortfallings over the year!
                                  I didn't say I agreed with it, which I don't (even after my home club lost the grand final after finishing top). Fair comment DF, but again I was just throwing up a suggestion to the thread starter, one which would be far more palatable than ditching finals football.
                                  "It's up to the rest of the players in the room to make a new batch of premiership players next year," Adam Goodes, triple Bob Skilton Medallist, October 7, 2011.

                                  YOU BETCHA!!!!!!

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                                    • Deledio Fan
                                      On the Rookie List
                                      • Jun 2005
                                      • 26
                                      #10
                                      Nah it was nothing against you mate - just an opinion, and i appreciated yours as well.

                                      For the record I had no idea you were more closely involved with ECE than other teams, but that was the first team coming into my mind that narrowly missed the finals...

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                                        • BeeEmmAre
                                          Commentary Team Captain
                                          • Aug 2005
                                          • 2509
                                          #11
                                          Not that closely involved with the Eagles, just work with a few of them and as a result, know a few more of them than other clubs at this stage.
                                          I could also claim a link to Wests as a former Daysdale boy, Bernie Brown, is one of the elder statesmen of the club and is a terrific bloke, having spoken to him on several occasions.
                                          Bernie left Daysdale nearly 60 years ago yet was still able to tell me more about the place than I knew, having lived there for virtually all my 25 years.
                                          "It's up to the rest of the players in the room to make a new batch of premiership players next year," Adam Goodes, triple Bob Skilton Medallist, October 7, 2011.

                                          YOU BETCHA!!!!!!

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