Sydney AFL - Is a new model required?

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  • Coastal Boy
    Regular in the Side
    • Nov 2003
    • 516

    Sydney AFL - Is a new model required?

    I have this notion that people only want to watch the best in the world. Anything less than the best is generally not embraced by the sporting public.

    This is best illustrated using examples. Australia loves international cricket - both ODI and Test matches. But no one supports state cricket let alone grade cricket which is the same representative level as NRL or AFL. People want to watch the best in the world pitted against each other.

    Rugby Union is another example. Test matches are well supported. Club rugby is a joke. The ARU introduced Super 12s which allows Test players to play in front of the public at a minimally diluted level. A success.

    Sports like basketball, soccer and baseball have a poor following locally because the best players travel overseas to play. Soccer and basketball are up there as the most played team sports in Australia so the idea of lots of junior players flowing through to a successful sport in Australia is a fallacy. i e."look at our Auskick figures"

    So what?s my point? Until the Swans came to town the Sydney AFL was the best standard of AFL in Sydney - and hence the 10,000+ crowds of yesteryear. The advent of the draft kills off club pouring money into local development as there is minimal return.

    Soccer have canned the idea of many teams(4 in sydney) and gone for the one-team-town idea. Rugby Union stagger their competition to allow the top players to play at all levels.

    Rugby League has a good lower league with the Jim Beam Cup which is a host of teams with budgets of 6 figures on players which is funded by poker machines at regional/local clubs. This is a crucial point. Look at successful competitions with no media support (and thus sponsorship) and a financial licensed club is a big part of this. Does this not pertain to the ACTAFL and other leagues, particularly in Queensland? The issue is that restructuring of the club industry in recent years ie. pokie tax, has killed off any possibility of local AFL teams building clubs and becoming financially secure and viable.

    AFL in Sydney will always be quashed by the Swans as people clammer to watch "the best". There aren?t enough AFL licensed clubs in Sydney to go the money money money route. I honestly cannot visualise how AFL can expand in a local competition without change. Just amalgamating teams wont do it. Increasing juniors wont do it.

    Without going down the "Sydney AFL bashing" road again on this forum, does anyone have ideas???

    Let's look outside of the circle(footy people love clich?s). Maybe we ought to have an expanded pre season U23s competition to showcase the best young talent. Sydney would field only 2 or three teams chosen like a rep team. In a 6 team competition, the BDAFL may also field a team and maybe Canberra. Not a full state league but something special which would give former RAMS players or NSW players and others something to come to Sydney for. This could run from February through to April(allowing the regular season to follow). It may give young players some hope of getting drafted after missing on out on the National draft. This might gain interest from teams in AFL circles. It may attract young players from interstate who will then hang aroung for the regular season. The concept is a cross between the Soccer U23s Olympics and the Super 12s Rugby - both successful at a tier below the best.

    This idea is a little different and may be bashed by everyone. It is meant only as a thought provoker. It may be contradictory to my earlier comments.

    I reckon when the best people in a job need answers they often go looking to see what has worked elsewhere and use other peoples experiences. I realise it is difficult to adapt foreign models to Sydney footy but it may be a starting point. Comments required.
  • swansrock4eva
    On the Rookie List
    • Jan 2003
    • 1352

    #2
    While I see your points, and actually do agree, the main problem is the MONEY. From what I've seen, very few clubs have a lot of cash to throw around, and those that do aren't willing to re-direct or re-promote so to speak. The other problem is the way the leageus are run - I find it VERY confusing to have a Premier Division, 1st div and 2nd div comp system - I'm a first-year local footy convert in Sydney, and while I love the fact that there are a number of teams across the three competitions, embracing a wide area in Sydney and down to the 'Gong, I just find it very hard to work out who goes where, and especially working for an unaffiliated U18s team. It's very difficult to say to a kid "play here instead of there because here is a higher division so it must be a better team" which doesn't appear to always be the case - there are teams in Div 1 that may be better suited to Div 2 and vice versa.

    Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be any incentive for a lot of teams- they're stuck in lower Divs no matter what it seems, and the odds of getting an elevation seem to be quite low.

    I could be wrong on all of this, but that's how it seems to a newcomer, and I must admit I've found it very confusing and overwhelming. Without having had a cause to commit, I doubt I would have taken the time to start getting a grip on things, and as we're trying to attract those who don't have so much of a cause to commit, maybe we need to address that sort of thing?

    (Did any of that even make sense? I'm tired and delerious so please excuse me if it didn't!)

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    • ben.carbonaro
      On the Rookie List
      • Apr 2005
      • 174

      #3
      Interesting comments made by both of you, both make for great reading by anyone interested in football not just those who support the Swans and follow the three divisions of the SFL.

      It might be idea for the AFL to do a study into this and provide some financial backing.

      Dale Holmes and everyone one at AFL NSW/ACT is to be congratulated though for the great work they do for the development of the game.
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      • Rafters
        aka Mr Taxman
        • Mar 2003
        • 441

        #4
        The best run competition I have seen is the Cairns AFL which is largely funded by poker machines/licenced clubs. It all started when all clubs (bar one) joined together their resources in buying a club & ground and re-investing a portion of profits into the premises and the balance to the clubs (bar the same one).

        Any major club function (B& F; ball) would be held at Cazalys.

        As the club has gotten bigger (largest QLD club oustide of Brisbane apparently)

        The result is 6 figure player budgets plus all umpires, balls, registration fees & strapping provided by the league. Most clubs have their own licenced premises at their respective grounds as well which generates as much cash for the club during Monday lunch as it would on a Saturday night.

        In Sydney, Wests AFC have a great facility & I really enjoyed my time there and I know a few mates of mine that joined them this year also enjoyed their time. The cash generated from the club does assist their football operations & good luck to them.

        So let there be more of it ... how about the club presidents join together & consider it at the next meeting with the NSWAFL. $20K doesn't go far ... but eight times that amount plus whatever else can be sourced (from AFL grants and also with debentures from private investors - I would be interested in partly funding a project like this one). There are alot of wealthy people within Sydney AFL that could be convinced to invest in a worthwhile project.

        A premises may not be purchased, but a facility could be leased which includes a ground ... alot of lobbying with council required as well. Blacktown is a start from what I can gather ... can we get a second one with the property market on the way down & interest in Aussie Rules footy in Sydney on the way up.

        I am sure that the Swans would have some interest in a joint venture for their own licenced premises.

        Lets look beyond Oct 2005 and look towards Oct 2020 (I suppose that is why it is called 20/20 vision).
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        • ben.carbonaro
          On the Rookie List
          • Apr 2005
          • 174

          #5
          Interesting reading, sounds like a really well competition run up in Cairns.

          Have any players been drafted to the AFL from them since the competition started up there in Cairns ?

          Pooling resources together, don't think that would happen in too mnay other leagues anywhere in Australia.
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          • Rafters
            aka Mr Taxman
            • Mar 2003
            • 441

            #6
            Originally posted by ben.carbonaro
            Interesting reading, sounds like a really well competition run up in Cairns.

            Have any players been drafted to the AFL from them since the competition started up there in Cairns ?
            Cockatoo-Collins family; Mark West (ex Western Bulldogs) from the Cairns City Cobras have played AFL footy. Jamie Charman played with Cairns Saints (& qualified as a concessional draft pick for the Lions).

            Tyson Lane (ex Western Bulldogs & Collingwood) & Rupert Butheras (ex Collingwood) played up there in 2004. Gary Dhurrkay (ex Fremantle) played there this year for Port Douglas before tragically dying in car accident.

            There would have been at least one North Cairns player picked up in last years draft - except he decided to go the biff in the infamous GF up there & got 12 weeks.

            This year's GF decided with a goal after the siren. Port Douglas getting up & erasing the dramas of 12 months earlier.
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            • ben.carbonaro
              On the Rookie List
              • Apr 2005
              • 174

              #7
              Geez.... I never knew so much talent decided to play up here or in Charman's case, get drafted from there.

              Concessional pick ?

              Is this similar to how the Swans drafted LRT ?
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