Chip Chip Chip

[Old Royboy]

All teams do it, I hate it. With skilled and disciplined teams it is effective. Trouble is, it?s about as entertaining as watching soccer. I?ve retired to the Noble stand bar when the Swans have resorted to it in the last quarter to protect a lead. I love my team but these tactics are bollocks.

Up until 15-20 years ago players instinctively kicked the ball immediately after a free or mark, and as a result 9 times out of 10 there was a contested ball. These days they wait and wait and wait until a free player presents.

The solution is simple. Don?t give them 30 seconds, 20seconds 10 seconds or even five seconds. Unless shooting for goal, a player should be made to kick or handball immediately with the penalty a ball up or kick reversed.

I think it?s the only way we?ll get the grunt back in our game. Thoughts?

[SMFC]

It's all evolution...

Like place kicks and drop kicks and now torpedoes no longer spotted... like when 'creating the loose man' was in thing.

Any sport can be said to be 'not like it used to'. "I remember ice hockey n cricket before helmets etc"

[ScottH]

Kicking Backward = No Mark. I like that idea to try and get things moving. As soon as the swans started that on Sat Nite, the crowd started on them.

Yes ORB something needs to be done. Trouble is the entire 2 teams follow the ball around like a pack of 8YOs, which makes spotting up a player in the clear a bit tricky.

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by ScottH
Kicking Backward = No Mark. I like that idea to try and get things moving. As soon as the swans started that on Sat Nite, the crowd started on them.

I don't like the tactics either, but notice when Essendon did it on Sat might the crowd was strangely quiet. Hypocritical Bummers fans.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by ScottH
Kicking Backward = No Mark.

This is the one I like. You don't see chipping in the NAB cup because you have to go forward.

[SMFC]

Stupid rule changes are rife in the AFL now - for no real benefit at all...

Less umpire intervention is much preferred. Let the players play and the game look after itself, otherwise draw NRL lines across the ground for forward passes etc.

[giant]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
This is the one I like. You don't see chipping in the NAB cup because you have to go forward.

I used to be a fan but now I'm not sure. I hate the final minutes "chiparound" but if you can't kick backwards that just encourages the opposition to flood forwards & doesn't require them to show nearly as much accountability. This seems a strange "reward" for losing possession. On balance, I'm for retaining the status quo.

[ScottH]

Interesting Article about long kicking.

Kick long, you lose

"We have to be a bit less predictable in how we go forward. If you kick long, you lose. It's unfortunate, isn't it, but we have to be a bit smarter about how we go about it."

(Champion Data measures a long kick as one that travels 40m or more and either hits a target or at least reaches a 50-50 contest. Kicks of that range that go to the opposition are ranked as clangers.)

[ROK Lobster]

Slowing it down - yes 'tempo footy' - was a big part of the Swans getting back into the match last week. When you are 8 goals down you can't turn the match into a shoot out - probably 9 1/2 times out of 10 you wont catch up. I think it is ok when it is done agressively, when teams are still looking to move forwards (and the blokes getting the kicks and the marks are in your dream team).

The chip around inside 60m for goal from the Swans irks me, when Hall is 50 out on a 45 degree angle and he passes to MOL 45 out on a 60 degreee angle - that's dumb.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
This is the one I like. You don't see chipping in the NAB cup because you have to go forward.

Oh no no no. Imagine the uproar when a kick was ruled to have gone backwards by an umpire not quite in line which costs the Swans a goal, or vice-versa. Next thing there would be a television umpire and then 1/4s would start going for 40 mins. No no no no. It only works in the NAB cup because no one cares (except the winners - it only becomes an important comp after you win).

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Re: Chip Chip Chip

Originally posted by Old Royboy
All teams do it, I hate it. With skilled and disciplined teams it is effective. Trouble is, it?s about as entertaining as watching soccer. Thoughts?

Bollocks OR. I agreed with you until there.

Unlike AFL matches these day top level futbol matches have a distinct flow to them. Sure teams buld ups vary in pace and style depending on the leagues they are in, but at least there are not the constant stoppages in play that at present make footy as dull to watch as rugby union at times where they stop for ages to set scrums lineouts etc.

I've not watched any of the matches other than our from last weekend, but I actually thought that the Essendon match was actually very watchable. After months entranced by some awesome A League match (the Adelaide finals in particular), I struggled getting into footy this season due to the stop start nature of teams chipping passes across half back looking for options up forward. But I thought the foty we saw, especially from the Dons was particularly attacking and attractive.

The tactics to beat teams flooding is to kick long goals from outside the cluttered 50 people area. Otherwise kick off quickly from FB after a behind to get in inside the F50 before the defending team have been able to man up properly. However I distinctly recall the Swans just chipping it around their half back line last Saturday at the end of the 1st quarter just to kill time hen we were being pumped.

It will be interesting to see how things go on Sunday. Port are not exactly an attractive team at the best of times, with our tempo football of course being somewhat legendary.

I am not giving up on footy just yet, as the AFL ARE aware of the problem & have at least tried to do things to speed the game up.

JF

[SMFC]

It's a soccer school of thought in the AFL, at the moment - the worst strategy in soccer is the 'long-ball' to forwards. Melbourne Victory used this aged theory and look where it got them, rock bottom.

Even in AFL, its basically 'hail mary' and kicking the ball away. Midfield control and progressively coming through the lines are the ways to go when playing like this.

It's great to see coaches studying some sports, rather than hearing Tom Hafey bark on about "ruckman to rover, long kick to full-forward in the square". The players are smarter and better than this. Sound theory but impracticle in the game at this time.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

I don't know about you guys, but the Saints-Tigers game last night was a ripper. Lots of fast end to end action, a couple of magic goals, and an encouraging Richmond performance. After last week I kind of felt sorry for them. I was definitely barracking for them last night.

Good on the Tigers fans who turned up in their thousands and were vocal in getting behind their team. Their effort was pretty passionate, but the amount of space St Kilda had across half forward was costly. I don't think i have seen so many players waltz into the forward 50 having shots at goal than the Saints had last night. Not good enough Wallet, not good enough Tigers half back line!

JF