Umpires' apologist DH-S tells swans to stop whingeing

[AussieAnge]

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0...-23211,00.html[/URL]

I was under the impression it was us fans who are whingeing about the standard of umpiring and not the Swans. The only comment I've read is that Roos said he's been told by his assistant coaches not to say anything about them.

[Schneiderman]

The only important stat out of that article was that we had seven free-kick goals against us and one for.

Whatever DH-S says in that article (and on Fox Footy he also admitted the Goodes free + 50 was wrong too), its hard to imagine that the umpires dont umpire teams differently. I dont care whether they 'like' us or not, the stats keep saying that something is fishy. Especially since we can still win the GF even with such a high free-against count.

[Thunder Shaker]

We did get a few dubious umpiring decisions - and non-decisions - on the weekend, but we have to look at the bigger picture.

Even if 25% of the decisions against us were incorrect last weekend (I don't believe the figure is that high but is used only to illustrate my point), that still leaves 75% of the decisions as being correct. So what are we doing wrong that causes us to concede so many free kicks?

We gave away five free kicks out of the middle in the first quarter alone. So far I have seen no discussion on these particular frees, so I'll assume these were correct. What were these frees for? What were we doing wrong here? How can we limit such infringements in the future?

Perhaps these were the questions the captains were asking.

[desredandwhite]

Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
How can we limit such infringements in the future?

Be first to the ball.

[Jeffers1984]

Or cheat.

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
We did get a few dubious umpiring decisions - and non-decisions - on the weekend, but we have to look at the bigger picture.

Even if 25% of the decisions against us were incorrect last weekend (I don't believe the figure is that high but is used only to illustrate my point), that still leaves 75% of the decisions as being correct. So what are we doing wrong that causes us to concede so many free kicks?

If only 75% of Essendons free kicks were paid, the free kick count would have been just about even.

[stevej]

If he admits to one or two wrong decisions then that is one or two to many. Its not the quantity that matters. It only take one really bad decision to change a game or change momentum or halt momentum. Lloyds rediculous 1st quarter free kicks maintaned their momentum and effectively snuffed us out of the game.

I think the problem is that umpires have a preconcieved idea of how we are going to play and therefore have the whistle in the mouth as soon as one of our blokes is on top of the ball or is involved in a contest. Its just not right.

I think we and the club have every right to whinge and should continue to do so until this continual, week after bloody week lop sided free kick count stops.

[giant]

The bloke is a pillock of the highest order - he suggested on WLF the other night that umpires will note that Lloyd has dived when Leo touched him & will be "on to him" henceforth.

Yeh, rite...the wankers couldn't get the whistle to their mouths fast enuff.

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by giant
The bloke is a pillock of the highest order - he suggested on WLF the other night that umpires will note that Lloyd has dived when Leo touched him & will be "on to him" henceforth.

Could allow a comment like that to pass if this was the first time Lloyd had done it, but he's been diving for years, his diving has been known to all and sundry, so why should the start of this season been any different - after all, they umpired the Swans based on preconceived ideas coming from the last few seasons - they should have been onto him from the first bounce last week, not "henceforth".

[cowcar]

He is using a Straw Man argument! No one I saying it is a conspiracy. All that has been said is that the umpiring on Saturday night was terrible and Lloyd dives for free kicks. Once you go past this muppet?s ?straw man?, what he says in the rest of this article still agrees with the original contention, that the umpiring was terrible and Lloyd is a cheat.

[timthefish]

Originally posted by desredandwhite
Be first to the ball.

absolutely.

i can't see where d h-s is factually wrong in that article or in his analysis on white-line fever earlier this week. while there are few concrete quotes from the players or coaches suggesting a problem with umpiring the general demeanor of the club in the media is a sulky one to that effect.

i like our game-plan. it was successful last year and with evolution will give us success this year again. the fact is though is that it is an aggressive defence-based plan that attempts to reduce contests when we have possession and maximise them when we do not. as frees tend to go to those in possession (apart from holding the ball of course) this plan is going to reduce such frees awarded to us and increase those given against us.

we can't have it both ways.

[giant]

Originally posted by timthefish
i can't see where d h-s is factually wrong in that article or in his analysis on white-line fever earlier this week.

So that was in fact the first time Lloyd has ever taken a dive?

[smartplay]

how many errors can an umpire make?

How many times is an umpire allowed to make mistake which can determine the momentum of a game? (as in game 1 Swan vs Essendon)

Can they make mistake (biased against a team) for the next 3 games? 5 games? the whole year??

How do the umpire rectify their problems?
Is there an official group that judge/review the mistakes made by the umpire? Does anyone know?

Are they allowed to continue to umpire in the rubbish way the whole year round without any correction? AFl officials chose to blind themselves of the erros/biasness - pretend all is sweet.

In a business world, three clear strikes, you are out!

One possible solution to umpires making error of judgement:
If one makes a clear error of judgement against team A inside the scoring circle (eg Lloyd vs barry game 1 ), and is pointed out in the break or during the game by fair-minded member of the umpiring team, then the same umpire MAKES UP for the error by giving the free for team A for a small infringement inside the scoring circle. Then both teams have no reasons to complain/whinge! A VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION! This depends on unbiased neutral umpire.
If the error is not made up at that point of time of play and further aggravated with more biasness in the same game, do we sit quietly & accept meekly the rubbish umpiring that is thrown at us? Common ! this is professional game. treat the game professionally!

[stevej]

Originally posted by timthefish
absolutely.
the fact is though is that it is an aggressive defence-based plan that attempts to reduce contests when we have possession and maximise them when we do not. as frees tend to go to those in possession (apart from holding the ball of course) this plan is going to reduce such frees awarded to us and increase those given against us.

we can't have it both ways.

The problem is that that is exactly how the umpires think going into a game againt us, the have a preconcieved negative attitude towards us and are told to have the ball moved on as quickly as possible. so in effect our game style is exactly the opposite to what the umpires are trying to achieve. Just let the game go ala the 2005 grand final!!! A great example of the umpires staying out of the game and letting the players make the game.

[hammo]

Originally posted by stevej


I think the problem is that umpires have a preconcieved idea of how we are going to play and therefore have the whistle in the mouth as soon as one of our blokes is on top of the ball or is involved in a contest. Its just not right.

You've hit it one the head, stevej.