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  • sharp9
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2003
    • 2508

    SMASHED in the midfield

    Midfields are supposed to do two things...win the ball and stop the opposition from doing much with the ball that they win.

    We have failed spectacularly in BOTH aspects of the game. Leaving out (for one more week) the option that we actually have a crap midfield then how do we fix the problem.

    Objective number one: as far as I can tell we do not have a single midfielder who is in the team to win the ball with velocity and use it efficiently...a la Ball, Judd, Kerr, Cousins, Hodge, West, Mitchell.

    Objective number two: as far as I can tell none of our midfielders have been tagging any of the opposition. They've just been hanging around the vicinity and being second to the ball...but not close enough to tackle.

    At any given time there are 6 midfield players on the field and at least 2 should be tagging the opposition best and 2 should be hell bent on winning first clean use of the ball.

    Problem...usually your senior players are your "best" and are placed in the role of winning the ball. Unfortunately our senior players are crap at that role....Kirk, Jude, Willo, Benny. Junior players are usually set to tag, but unfortunately our junior players are crap at that role...Ablett, Bucky, Schneider, Dempster, McVeigh

    Solutions...Willo is not winning ball, either due to age or injury and as he cannot tag he should be moved out of the midfield to the HBF, bench or retirement.

    Benny cannot justify a place in the side on any grounds. Cannot win the ball, cannot use it when given it, cannot prevent his man from getting the ball.

    Kirk should go back to full time tagging. I don't mind if he gets 12 possessions as long as Simpson, West, Hodge get 8 or 10.

    Ditto for Jude. As I have said ad infinitum when he gets first hands on the ball he is almost never in a position to get it directly forward or cleanly to a team mate who can get it forward. He is almost always facing the wrong and kicks an up and under over his shoulder. Really what?s the point of all the huffing and puffing to get the ball if that is the result? He is tough and fit, though so I say he has had long enough - make him a tagger and free up someone else to go in and get it. He had 24 possessions on Sunday and they didn?t help much.

    Buchanan is the only Swan who can get the ball in the midfield and go forward. Give him the job that says?go and get the ball and give it to a team mate.. Let them worry about you and let your team mates worry about star opposition midfielders.

    Davis and Goodes are the others who know how to find it in traffic, but can still keep their balance and vision and dish off. I say give them the job (for Davis it might only be in the front half).

    As for the rest, I reckon our desperate need is to identify which of the younger or fringe players can win it and use it. Bevan, no. Ablett I don?t think so, McVeigh has never really been given the opportunity as far as I can see, he always appears to be ranked #6 when in the midfield and never goes in to win it. I assume that this is an instruction. Fosdike seems to be being played as a wide receiver. We know he can?t tag. Maybe he should be given a shot at it.

    Moore? Malceski? Willoughby, Schmidt? Dempster? Kennelly? We really have no idea ?cos they haven?t been tried in that role. In the few games Moore has played he has been fantastic at winning and delivering the ball from in tight in the midfield. He must be under consideration. Two years ago we were all talking about needing an extractor, but we somehow won a flag without one and last year were nearly number one for clearances in the comp (though our clearances were usually uglier than the opposition?s clearances). Now it is coming back to bite. I want to see something done on Saturday night.
    "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005
  • Ryan Bomford
    On the Rookie List
    • Sep 2003
    • 652

    #2
    Maybe we look at the replays from last year and figure out how it was done.

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    • Sanecow
      Suspended by the MRP
      • Mar 2003
      • 6917

      #3
      I don't like the implications of the word "smashed" regarding our midfield.

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      • RogueSwan
        McVeigh for Brownlow
        • Apr 2003
        • 4602

        #4
        Re: SMASHED in the midfield

        Originally posted by sharp9
        Midfields are supposed to do two things...win the ball and stop the opposition from doing much with the ball that they win.
        .... and move the ball from defence to offence?
        "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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        • Nico
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 11339

          #5
          Originally posted by Sanecow
          I don't like the implications of the word "smashed" regarding our midfield.
          Well how else can you possibly see it? Sharp is spot on. Both games we ahven't got a touch.

          My view is a little different as to why it is happening.

          I disagree on the tagging bit. Mathews tags in the centre bounce EVERY week and does it badly. Burgoyne gave him a horrible hiding last week. There is too much attempted tagging and blocking instead of positive ball winning objective. They look to be trying for the secondary bounce so they can then get others in to crowd the contest.

          Agree on personnel. We need quick bodies and quick minds in there. Goodes and Davis should contest every centre bounce.
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          • stellation
            scott names the planets
            • Sep 2003
            • 9720

            #6
            Originally posted by Nico

            Agree on personnel. We need quick bodies and quick minds in there. Goodes and Davis should contest every centre bounce.
            I totally agree, Goodes and Davis would both give us attacking options that will actually look to break packs and DO something with the ball- much as I love the hard workers, I am tired of seeing them handball to stationary targets 1 metre from them or just dive on the ball.

            I am sure you put up some midfield rotations earlier in the week that looked right on the money to me. Nico in, Lyons out!
            I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
            We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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            • Go Swannies
              Veterans List
              • Sep 2003
              • 5697

              #7
              Originally posted by Sanecow
              I don't like the implications of the word "smashed" regarding our midfield.
              we need that humour icon more every day.

              Besides, we've all seen them smashed before but they should have sobered up by now.

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              • sharp9
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2003
                • 2508

                #8
                The reason I used the word Smashed was because not only is it accurate, but it is also the actual word used by MANY commentators and radio "critics." To be 50 points down half way through a game....twice.... would mean that this is probably the case, and a cursory look at the games themselves will see our midfield beaten in nearly every contest for hard and loose ball, as well as the disposal by the opposition midfield being many, many times more effiecient and skilled.
                "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                • swantastic
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 7275

                  #9
                  Ah to look back on the @@@@ we say,it doesnt matter we made the GF.
                  Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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                  • Carolyn
                    Randomness muchly
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 986

                    #10
                    If we were "smashed" in the midfield this year and managed to make it to the GF, then maybe if the midfield doesn't get "smashed", we'll win it again next year!
                    My Pokemon brings all the boys to the yard and they're like "Wanna trade cards?"
                    "Damn right, I wanna trade cards. I can beat you, I've got Charizard!"

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                    • Wil
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 619

                      #11
                      Losing Ross Lyon is the best thing to happen to us so far in this offseason.

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                      • swantastic
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 7275

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Wil
                        Losing Ross Lyon is the best thing to happen to us so far in this offseason.
                        Will are you still @@@@@@ from the GF,because how do you figure that?

                        MOD EDIT: Please don't avoid the swear filter.
                        Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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                        • Wil
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 619

                          #13
                          Originally posted by swantastic
                          Will are you still @@@@@@ from the GF,because how do you figure that?

                          MOD EDIT: Please don't avoid the swear filter.
                          Ok you are right, Spida no. 1. Losing Lyons no. 2.

                          Hopefully we will get a midfield that does more than force ball ups.

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