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  • madswan
    On the Rookie List
    • May 2004
    • 28

    recruiting

    Despite the fact the we are playing so badly I think that the recruiting people have alot to answer for. Look at our list! Alot of people are saying that Willo is past it but considering he is playing off the bench we are not winning. He is the only midfielder with talent and the only player that we have that can turn a game, he is 33. Surely the recruiting staff should have looked at options 3 years ago to cover him. As much as I love Bolts and Kirlky they just dont have the skills to cover Willo.
    What about a tall back, that should have been a requirement, or someone to back up Jolly inj the ruck Ball was not going to last forever and you cant rely on Doyle.
    Lets not blame our players back look at what we are paying our recruiting team to employ some talent.
    We have won 1 game, against Carlton, big deal, lets focus on the real problem, recruiting.
  • Mike_B
    Peyow Peyow
    • Jan 2003
    • 6267

    #2
    With us being pretty consistent as far as performance goes over the past decade or so, apart from the odd exception, we haven't had many top 10 draft picks at all, meaning you're not going to have as many ready made players coming onto your list who are 18 years of age. As a result, you need to either be more patient with players (and in some cases face the issue they won't make it at senior level), or see what you can get that will meet your needs, while not giving everything away for it.

    Its a tough one, but IMHOit's hard to have a go at the recruiting department because our on-field performance has been solid for quite a while, so obviously they haven't been miserable failures. That said, it doesn't mean we are guaranteed to not drop down the ladder and be forced to rely on the draft to pick things up again.

    I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

    If you cannot compete for the premiership, it's better to be young and exciting than middle-aged and dowdy.

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    • originalswan
      On the Rookie List
      • Aug 2004
      • 550

      #3
      A little hard to knock the recruiters, especially after a Premiership season. The young guys drafted pre season I believe are all midfielders (which answers your query) and we addressed the tall issue as well as we could with Richards & Chambers - Give them a few more weeks before knocking them.

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      • liz
        Veteran
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16786

        #4
        LOL.

        We are the reigning premiers. That's right, the recruiting team managed to pull together a list good enough for Roos and co to mould into the best team in the competition last season. And all done, as Mike points out, without the benefit of many top picks nor F&S "gifts".

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        • ihamilto
          On the Rookie List
          • May 2004
          • 331

          #5
          Another thing I am not prepared to write off Willoughby and Schmidt just yet both have had injury concerns, the matches I have seen Willoughby play in he has shown wonderful skills if only he was a little taller.
          cheers Ian

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          • Lucky Knickers
            Fandom of Fabulousness
            • Oct 2003
            • 4220

            #6
            The entire competition all acknowledge that tall KPP, particularly backs, are not available via the draft. Every team has to develop these. Same with Rucks. The Jason Balls of the world are not available to draft. We missed a shot at Everitt last year but if you think that any team will let a decent Ruckman go - you are dreaming.

            I think Sydney recruit incredibly well and manage their list to field a consistent top 8 team. We've only missed the finals twice in 10 years - and won a premiership. That's better than a significant slice of the league. I don't know the results but surely we must be not far behind Lions/Essendon for consistency over that period?

            Whilst I'd like us to pick up a couple of tall backmen and a good Ruckman like Cox/Brogan - it's unrealistic.

            Give me a competitive team and regular finals appearances than a top 2 pick in the Rookie draft thanks.

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            • goswannie14
              Leadership Group
              • Sep 2005
              • 11166

              #7
              Re: recruiting

              Originally posted by madswan
              Despite the fact the we are playing so badly I think that the recruiting people have alot to answer for. Look at our list! Alot of people are saying that Willo is past it but considering he is playing off the bench we are not winning. He is the only midfielder with talent and the only player that we have that can turn a game, he is 33. Surely the recruiting staff should have looked at options 3 years ago to cover him. As much as I love Bolts and Kirlky they just dont have the skills to cover Willo.
              What about a tall back, that should have been a requirement, or someone to back up Jolly inj the ruck Ball was not going to last forever and you cant rely on Doyle.
              Lets not blame our players back look at what we are paying our recruiting team to employ some talent.
              We have won 1 game, against Carlton, big deal, lets focus on the real problem, recruiting.
              Were you saying the same thing last year after 4 rounds? Get real...we won the premiership and as LK said, have only missed the finals twice in 10 years.
              Last edited by goswannie14; 26 April 2006, 03:17 PM.
              Does God believe in Atheists?

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              • Legs Akimbo
                Grand Poobah
                • Apr 2005
                • 2809

                #8
                Re: recruiting

                Originally posted by madswan
                Despite the fact the we are playing so badly I think that the recruiting people have alot to answer for. Look at our list! Alot of people are saying that Willo is past it but considering he is playing off the bench we are not winning. He is the only midfielder with talent and the only player that we have that can turn a game, he is 33. Surely the recruiting staff should have looked at options 3 years ago to cover him. As much as I love Bolts and Kirlky they just dont have the skills to cover Willo.
                What about a tall back, that should have been a requirement, or someone to back up Jolly inj the ruck Ball was not going to last forever and you cant rely on Doyle.
                Lets not blame our players back look at what we are paying our recruiting team to employ some talent.
                We have won 1 game, against Carlton, big deal, lets focus on the real problem, recruiting.
                Are you insane madswan?
                He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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                • hammo
                  Veterans List
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 5554

                  #9
                  As others have pointed out, our recruiting policies (as well as medical staff) have been credited with winning the premiership as much as the players themselves.

                  I do however share your concerns about the midfield. Too many defensive midfielders in there and no one coming through in the mould of Willo. However, how much is this due to recruiting (we seem to only draft midfielders) or unimaginative coaching?

                  I say unimaginative because we seem scared to play anyone other than the defensive midfielders / taggers in Kirk, Bolton, Mathews and Ablett in the midfield.

                  Buchanan was a revelation last year because he showed some attacking flair.

                  Nick Davis is potentially our best midfielder but rarely gets the chance to show his wares, while Tadhg has never been tried there.

                  And Goodes should start every match as a ruck rover.
                  "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                  • Thunder Shaker
                    Aut vincere aut mori
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4225

                    #10
                    Re: Re: recruiting

                    Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                    Are you insane madswan?
                    His name is madswan. Perhaps he is.
                    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                    • Legs Akimbo
                      Grand Poobah
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 2809

                      #11
                      Re: Re: Re: recruiting

                      Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                      His name is madswan. Perhaps he is.
                      Could be mad in the sense of insanity or possibly is 'mad' swan because he is 'angry' at our recruiting policy. Possibly MadSwan's name is a clever pun to communicate he is both angry and insane, in which case I am not going to argue with him.

                      Madswan, are you insane, angry, or just clever for using a name with a double meaning?
                      He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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                      • goswannie14
                        Leadership Group
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 11166

                        #12
                        Re: Re: Re: Re: recruiting

                        Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                        Could be mad in the sense of insanity or possibly is 'mad' swan because he is 'angry' at our recruiting policy. Possibly MadSwan's name is a clever pun to communicate he is both angry and insane, in which case I am not going to argue with him.

                        Madswan, are you insane, angry, or just clever for using a name with a double meaning?
                        You forgot the possibility that it could also mean he is mad about the Swans.
                        Does God believe in Atheists?

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                        • Legs Akimbo
                          Grand Poobah
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 2809

                          #13
                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: recruiting

                          Originally posted by goswannie14
                          You forgot the possibility that it could also mean he is mad about the Swans.
                          Possibly GS14, possibly. But he has posted only 22 times since joining in May 2004 which doesn't fit the picture that well.
                          He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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                          • Thunder Shaker
                            Aut vincere aut mori
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 4225

                            #14
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: recruiting

                            Originally posted by goswannie14
                            You forgot the possibility that it could also mean he is mad about the Swans.
                            Makes sense to me

                            As to his original point, well I disagree.

                            Ruck - We recruited Jolly last year, Chambers this year. We have Ericksen and a couple of others on our list.

                            Midfield - We've recruited several midfielders in recent years. Moore, Brabazon, Laidlaw, Thornton, Spriggs, Malceski, McVeigh are just a few. Not all of them will make it but that is the lottery of recruiting.

                            Defense - Richards and Vogels. Richards could also be a replacement forward for MOL when he retires. Not the same class of course but the net is being cast.

                            I don't remember the positions of all of the players we've recruited - both in the draft and the rookie draft - but the impression I get is that they are recruiting two or three years ahead of the need.
                            "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                            • goswannie14
                              Leadership Group
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 11166

                              #15
                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: recruiting

                              Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                              Possibly GS14, possibly. But he has posted only 22 times since joining in May 2004 which doesn't fit the picture that well.
                              Maybe that should have been my name!
                              Does God believe in Atheists?

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