Please let us not lose this week

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by Izzy Mandelbaum
You see, you're selling the real Richmond supporters short. They put up with the crap performances, horrible coaching, embarrasing management yet still enough of them buy memberships and attend games that Richmond are able to compete (in the most competitive club market in Australia) with teams that have won premierships and consistently made finals during the current era.

You seem to have a selective memory. I have a friend who is a Richmond supporter, who, I think it was the late 80's, attended a rally which had the sole aim of keeping Richmond in the league because their supporters, in the main, had deserted the team and they were almost broke.

[Luffs Fumbles]

Richmonds home games attendance since 94

Year Agg Average

1994 333,918 37,102
1995 546,500 49,682
1996 482,638 48,264
1997 381,301 38,130
1998 487,377 44,307
1999 541,009 41,616
2000 480,193 53,355
2001 521,390 52,139
2002 389,878 38,988
2003 307,952 38,494
2004 244,698 34,957
2005 281,021 40,146
2006 113,254 56,627

as we can see from the above Richmonds attendance has been extremely good & consistent considering there have only been TWO finals appearances in that time.............Hmmmmmm thats debunked some theories now hasnt it.

as for the consistent finals aspirants the Swannies -

Year Agg Average

1994 107,947 9,813
1995 175,442 15,949
1996 274,956 24,996
1997 402,735 36,612
1998 347,034 31,549
1999 336,447 30,586
2000 303,697 25,308
2001 330,674 27,556
2002 328,504 25,270
2003 386,931 32,244
2004 371,571 30,964
2005 378,186 31,516
2006 99,750 33,250


The attendances are somewhat lesseven with their increased success.....It looks like Luffy's fumbles another one.

[Gary]

The Richmond average is impressive notwithstanding the "G" aspect. Respect where it is due given their results over that period. Did Izzy actually confess to being a Richmond supporter?

[Sanecow]

The comparison is a nonsense given that 1. many Swans members live away from their "home ground" and 2. in any given first half of the year, Richmond's annual crowd figures are boosted by their early appearance of success, only to dwindle later when reality sets in.

[Luffs Fumbles]

all Luffys showing is that Tiger fans arent "fair weather" supporters as a whole, & still come out in large numbers for their team despite being predominantly "@@@@e" for 25 years.

I dont think their is another club that could boast those figures if they had our recent on field record.

Thats all from Luffy fumbles

[cruiser]

Originally posted by goswannie14
...and just above St Kilda and Port Power supporters.

No, they are the equal worse in my view.

[Izzy Mandelbaum]

Originally posted by dawson
I made my statement based on an acute knowledge of VFL/AFL history.

In my experience someone who tells you how knowledgable they are rarely turn out to be very knowledgeable at all.

Originally posted by dawson
Fact of the matter is that you have done SFA since winning the flag in 1980. Your record is infact apallling.

No @@@@. Haven't I said as much in this thread at least once?

Originally posted by dawson
Your fans may turn up to the games in the droves you talk about but let me ask you this chief, how many actually stay till the end of the game? Your supposed loyal, died in the wool fans are notorious for leaving in the middle of the game when the going gets tough.

Although I totally disagree that Richmond fans leave games earlier when they are losing than others team's fans (I'd say Richmond fans are better than average and a long, long way from notorious in this regard.), the fact that by turning up and paying either their membership fee or their admission they are helping the club really makes a non-issue out of people leaving games early to me.

Originally posted by goswannie14
You seem to have a selective memory. I have a friend who is a Richmond supporter, who, I think it was the late 80's, attended a rally which had the sole aim of keeping Richmond in the league because their supporters, in the main, had deserted the team and they were almost broke.

Not at all. I remember that clearly but as it was more than 16 years ago thought it was pretty irrelevant to a discussion about today's supporters,. much as Insanecow's use of stats from 1987 were redundant to the argument IMO also.

But seeing as you bring it up, yes Richmond did have a massive campaign to save the Club in the late 80's, and it's fans achieved the desired result. Tell me, do you think Sydney would have survived through it's dark years purely on the back of their supporters and without AFL/VFL financial assistance?

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by Izzy Mandelbaum
Not at all. I remember that clearly but as it was more than 16 years ago thought it was pretty irrelevant to a discussion about today's supporters,. much as Insanecow's use of stats from 1987 were redundant to the argument IMO also.

So you have had 100% turnover from 1987?!?!?

[Izzy Mandelbaum]

Obviously not, but cherry-picking stats from nearly two decades ago was clearly not as useful as giving a broad view of more recent stats considering Richmond have been consistently mediocre (and often downright crap) since 1982.

Surely when Dawson was bagging Richmond supporters in his first post in this thread he was bagging the modern version and not those from 1987?

[Leeroy]

This is one of the more insane debates I've seen in a forum. I've been a Sydney fan for long enough to remember having an entire bay to yourself while we watched them get thrashed week after week. If you want to compare Richmond to Sydney, just look at the cheer squads. Number, noise, flags, songs, the Tiggers have it all over the Swans. I've a few friends who are Richmond fans and I haven't known more passionate and committed fans.

Tho Robert Walls said after his sacking "Passion! I was sick of the sound of that word!"

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by Luffs Fumbles
Richmonds home games attendance since 94

Year Agg Average

1994 333,918 37,102
1995 546,500 49,682
1996 482,638 48,264
1997 381,301 38,130
1998 487,377 44,307
1999 541,009 41,616
2000 480,193 53,355
2001 521,390 52,139
2002 389,878 38,988
2003 307,952 38,494
2004 244,698 34,957
2005 281,021 40,146
2006 113,254 56,627

as we can see from the above Richmonds attendance has been extremely good & consistent considering there have only been TWO finals appearances in that time.............Hmmmmmm thats debunked some theories now hasnt it.

as for the consistent finals aspirants the Swannies -

Year Agg Average

1994 107,947 9,813
1995 175,442 15,949
1996 274,956 24,996
1997 402,735 36,612
1998 347,034 31,549
1999 336,447 30,586
2000 303,697 25,308
2001 330,674 27,556
2002 328,504 25,270
2003 386,931 32,244
2004 371,571 30,964
2005 378,186 31,516
2006 99,750 33,250


The attendances are somewhat lesseven with their increased success.....It looks like Luffy's fumbles another one.

One flaw in your argument is that the attendance figures don't take into account who the supporters were there to support. Usually in Melb the figures would be roughly 50/50 so those figures need to be halved. In Sydney however the visiting teams support would usually be less than 10% of the crowd, so those figures need to be reduced by 10%.

You can make stats say anything. But this may give a more realistic account of the quoted stats.

BTW I live in Melbourne and have been a Swans supporter for 37 years. I have been around league games and ground for a few (about 30) years, so I have a fair idea of the validity of the comments that I have made above.

[dawson]

Just had a look at Punt Road End.

Izzy's name there is Disco08.

[Piobaireachd]

Re: Why for?

Originally posted by Guzzitza
Izzy. Why join a forum, merely to criticize the forums main focus (Swans supporters)??

If your club is so awesome, and your supporters so amazing, why arent you spending your time laughing it up with them? Cos right now, all your doing is creating flame bait.
Please, get a job, a friend, something.. but dont join a forum for the mere purpose of trying to attract an argument with its members.

Eat some pies?

[Piobaireachd]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Sadly, the only year I lived in Sydney was 1994. Since then I have mainly been in WA so I pretty much support a losing team every time.

Exactly! No one knows like we know

[Izzy Mandelbaum]

Originally posted by goswannie14
One flaw in your argument is that the attendance figures don't take into account who the supporters were there to support. Usually in Melb the figures would be roughly 50/50 so those figures need to be halved. In Sydney however the visiting teams support would usually be less than 10% of the crowd, so those figures need to be reduced by 10%.

Not really. Most Melbourne teams will play around 5 games a year at home against interstate sides. Also, the Bulldogs, Kangaroos, Melbourne and to a lesser extent Geelong (when they play in Melbourne) draw significantly less than Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond. I'd say with all that taken into account the yearly average for the more popular teams would be at least 70/30.