John Longmire/Coaching Change?

[lwjoyner]

cox says defence is a focus. and hes thinking about a move fro tmac. backline will be short but quick, not sure who will mark the tall fwds.

[rickmat]

What was interesting in Cox's talk to the players was that he mentioned "new staff". Who are they? Is there a new Assistant Coach or additional new coaches appointed? There are no coaches at all mentioned on the club website!!!! We were advised that Jared McV was to become the Reserves Coach. So who has taken his place. And is Cox going to appoint a senior assistant coach he wants ?

[UUaswan]

Cox is talking about positional changes. The first one I would make is Tom McCartin back the forward line. When he played there after he first came into the side he showed he could take contested marks and kick goals.

You were in the money TBC, here I was thinking tall defenders is our biggest vulnerability.

Would have to mean one of the 3 fwds goes back ?

[rojo]

In defense of our current forwards I recall Amartey being interviewed early on in the season when he was being called out by the media for lack of goals and he replied that his role was to bring the ball to the ground for the others to run onto. He made a point of saying that those were the directions of the coaches for him. I remember it well because while I could see the point of him being able to crash the packs etc it seemed to me a waste of his potential.

Then against Port at the end of the season when we had that comprehensive win, it seemed to me as though 'the plan' of having our tall forwards together in a bunch in front of the goals like sticks, was flicked. McDonald was actually leading from the goal square, not just once but several times and was hit on the chest every time. I thought wow, we do have a plan B to try and unsettle the opposition, this is so good. Comes the grand final and we are back to the sticks in the goal square plan! The plan that has the half forwards and mids kicking more goals than the forwards. As I see it this kind of plan does not allow our 2 big men to develop their forward skills, or star as forwards.

[mcs]

Cox is talking about positional changes. The first one I would make is Tom McCartin back the forward line. When he played there after he first came into the side he showed he could take contested marks and kick goals.

I suspect they'll be very hesitant to do this, given his history of concussion. No idea whether statistically it stacks up, but certainly a strong perception that there is a greater risk of concussion playing as a KPF than playing as a KPD.

[UUaswan]

Cox is talking about positional changes. The first one I would make is Tom McCartin back the forward line. When he played there after he first came into the side he showed he could take contested marks and kick goals.

Our biggest vulnerability is defence
Without Tom Mc, we may as well not show up.
These fellas from the 2s had better step up or we are in trouble.
Love Ramps, but not many 35 yr olds are playing more than 15 games

[The Big Cat]

Cox is talking about positional changes. The first one I would make is Tom McCartin back the forward line. When he played there after he first came into the side he showed he could take contested marks and kick goals.

[Roadrunner]

Adam Kennedy is the new Development Coach.

We need a Forwards Coach. Our Forward Set ups don't give our tall forwards a hope in hell. They are all flying against each other. We need to spread the options.

Agree to a point Wolfie, but there were too many bombs to our talls, who are generally not very good high marks. Is this a coaching problem or our guys just not using their intelligence? Maybe a bit of both I suspect but our talls certainly don’t lead anywhere often enough to get a clear grab inside our 50,

[Ruck'n'Roll]

I think the Adam Kennedy in question was the former inaugural Giants player. A bit of a hard nut.

In hindsight, maybe some of those questioning Horse's ongoing capacity weren't completely off base.

[Nico]

Adam Kennedy is the new Development Coach.

We need a Forwards Coach. Our Forward Set ups don't give our tall forwards a hope in hell. They are all flying against each other. We need to spread the options.

Who is Adam Kennedy.

[wolftone57]

Out of interest, I assume it means we have an assistant coaching position to fill.

Happy to be corrected, but I think we now have M McVeigh and Matthews as assistants, J McVeigh as reserves, and I think Buchanan is in a development role.

So 'if' that's right, either someone gets promoted, or we go seeking fresh talent. (And I'm assuming JMcV isn't going to get promoted back, given part of the logic was giving him the opportunity to run his own program as someone seeking senior coaching opportunities himself.)

Adam Kennedy is the new Development Coach.

We need a Forwards Coach. Our Forward Set ups don't give our tall forwards a hope in hell. They are all flying against each other. We need to spread the options.

[stevoswan]

Speaking of Grand Final losses, could I go off on bit of tangent here?

Which of Horse's Grand Final losses bothered you the most? For me, the thrashings hurt for a short time but I was quickly able to focus instead on the great seasons that led up to them. However, I seethed for ages after the 2016 GF loss to the Poodles and it still annoys the hell out of me. Just seeing Luke Beveridge's face is enough to bring back the anger.

Same with me....yes it hurts when we don't turn up but the opposition however does and I can then accept that we were beaten by a better team on the day....even if we may have been the better team over the season....but when we are the better team full stop and are then robbed of a deserved flag like in 2016, that hurts more than anything. The 2016 GF will haunt and bother and anger me to my grave.....and because of it, I will hate the Bulldogs until I die too.....and the umpires who stole it from us.

[wolftone57]

Gerard Healy on SEN last night said he'd be staggered if Horse had a serious fall out with Parker, after going through a tough period getting back into the side from injury & suspension whilst the team was flying. He went on to stay that he would still play Parker ahead of Adams at start of next season had he not gone to North, stating Adams needs to work earn his spot back. They were hoping to speak with Tom Morris but he wasn’t available.

They also interviewed Andrew Pridham, which was mostly going over what was already covered at yesterday's pressers. However, the question was raised whether Longmire"s new role will be under the soft cap with consideration also given to senior assistant role being filled. Andrew just said he didn't believe it will be an issue without elaborating any further.

Horse's new role is not a part of the Footy Department. It is more a Management role

[wolftone57]

All I know is I feel a bit sad.

It was obvious he had three choices at the end of the year - retire, see out last year of contract, or seek out an extension. But it was all contingent on whether or not he felt he had more in the tank, or it had ground him down. Looks like the latter.

I personally love Horse. He's a great footy person and the fact is he's delivered us great success - including a flag.

I get his decision, but I'm still a bit devastated.

I think it was way past time. I'm pretty sure he knew he couldn't get any more out of this group. He had done as much as he could & was out of ideas. He said that 18 months ago he had a quiet word with Harley & Pridham that 2025 would be his last. But after last GF I believe it all caught up with him & the stress became too much. This is what happens. It's a hugely stressful job. No coach is ever safe. Take Norm Smith 5 premierships & they sacked him, all because he & the President didn't get on. We would like to think it is far more professional today. But is it? Take Essendon & Melbourne. Good examples of how it can go wrong. Oh & Dees were the ones who sacked Smith. Nothing much has changed there.

Swans ARE a professional club. They are inclusive & they are in the NOW. What needs to happen now is the boys get on with it & win the next premiership. The goals should be;

1. Fix up the midfield
2. Win first quarters, then win the rest. Finish off with a full sail
3. Blood the players who need to be blooded
4. Get the Forward Set Ups right. The personnel are good but the set ups are all wrong. WE NEED A SPECIALIST FORWARDS COACH. MATTY LLOYD? DERMIE? JOSH KENNEDY?
5. Get hard. Destroy teams who are there to be destroyed. Bludgeon teams who are in the fight
6. BLOOD THE BACKS
7. WIN, WIN, WIN!

That's it really. Not much to ask

[Sandridge]

Many would think the 4th GF loss played a part in Horse's decision, what state of mind are the players in?

Speaking of Grand Final losses, could I go off on bit of tangent here?

Which of Horse's Grand Final losses bothered you the most? For me, the thrashings hurt for a short time but I was quickly able to focus instead on the great seasons that led up to them. However, I seethed for ages after the 2016 GF loss to the Poodles and it still annoys the hell out of me. Just seeing Luke Beveridge's face is enough to bring back the anger.