2025 List Management

[Roadrunner]

Ramps deserves another year as his form has been ok and we don’t seem to have an obvious replacement at this stage. Lloyd should retire, no doubt. Has been a great servant but his form this year has been poor. Fox’s spot will depend on how he goes from here on. McLean and Ladhams to a lesser extent, are needed as we don’t have many talls. Adams is too injury prone and adds very little so should be let go. Hamling is only VFL level, unlike Francis who can be called upon as needed for our seniors.

I’m confident Ollie will regain his form and he is needed for depth- should not be traded unless we do a massive acquisition of a star player. Which I think we need but may be very difficult to obtain at a fair price.

[liz]

I do agree with everything you are saying, but there is really little difference between the rookie list and primary list as all are available for senior selection. A good example is Tom Papley was initially drafted on the rookie list and if my memory serves me correctly, he has never played a game in the VFL. Makes you wonder why we even have rookie list instead of a primary list of 44 players

It does make a difference at draft time. You don't get to add to your rookie list until the xxxx end of the draft. I guess you can clear a senior list spot by 'demoting' someone to the rookie list. But you have to be careful about delisting players you want to keep (or might want to keep, or might want to get something back for if they leave) because they immediately become delisted free agents. (See James Jordon, for example.)

[BRS328]

I agree with you that list spots won’t be a constraining factor that prevents us taking three academy players. We are obliged, regardless, to turn at least three of the senior list over.

That said, Kirk, Buller, Leidler and Paton are all on the rookie list, so delisting them won’t clear a senior list spot. (And personally I think Leidler has shown enough flashes of something in a dreadful team to earn another year on the rookie list.)

I also doubt we’ll delist Ladhams, not unless we recruit a seasoned ruck from somewhere else. Grundy and Green would be a horribly thin ruck division.

I can see Fox riding off into the full time land of PE teaching at the end of the year. Rampe and Lloyd will be interesting calls by the list management team. Both will think they can play on. Both will want to play on. Rampe has already declared he wants to play on. But the club might have other ideas. Rampe might be saved by the absences of Andrew and Edwards, and the fact that Snell has (understandably) not shone in that awful VFL side.

It’s also possible that players like McLean or Florent will see themselves dangled as trade bait. I’m not arguing thry should be (or shouldn’t be). But both have found themselves to be on the fringes this year, and the upcoming trade period is the first chance Cox will have to influence the shape of the list as Big Kahuna.

I do agree with everything you are saying, but there is really little difference between the rookie list and primary list as all are available for senior selection. A good example is Tom Papley was initially drafted on the rookie list and if my memory serves me correctly, he has never played a game in the VFL. Makes you wonder why we even have rookie list instead of a primary list of 44 players

[liz]

I can think of 3 straight off, Paton, Hamling, Ladhams, Leidler, Kirk, Buller, Lloyd, Fox, Mitchell, plus others are all in the last year of their contracts. List spots will not be an issue. I am not saying all will be delisted but some will.

I agree with you that list spots won’t be a constraining factor that prevents us taking three academy players. We are obliged, regardless, to turn at least three of the senior list over.

That said, Kirk, Buller, Leidler and Paton are all on the rookie list, so delisting them won’t clear a senior list spot. (And personally I think Leidler has shown enough flashes of something in a dreadful team to earn another year on the rookie list.)

I also doubt we’ll delist Ladhams, not unless we recruit a seasoned ruck from somewhere else. Grundy and Green would be a horribly thin ruck division.

I can see Fox riding off into the full time land of PE teaching at the end of the year. Rampe and Lloyd will be interesting calls by the list management team. Both will think they can play on. Both will want to play on. Rampe has already declared he wants to play on. But the club might have other ideas. Rampe might be saved by the absences of Andrew and Edwards, and the fact that Snell has (understandably) not shone in that awful VFL side.

It’s also possible that players like McLean or Florent will see themselves dangled as trade bait. I’m not arguing thry should be (or shouldn’t be). But both have found themselves to be on the fringes this year, and the upcoming trade period is the first chance Cox will have to influence the shape of the list as Big Kahuna.

[BRS328]

To recruit three Academy players, Sydney would need three vacant list spots. Making those vacancies by trading players out for draft picks may be necessary.

I expect Sheldrick will be offered an extension, but may choose to seek a trade.

West Coast would be an interesting choice. They are likely to finish last this year. Their 2025 draft picks are: round 1, round 1 (Hawthorn), round 2, round 2 (Hawthorn), round 3 (Hawthorn). Currently, these picks are 1, 14, 19, 32, 50. Brisbane holds West Coast's round 3 pick, one of four 2025 3rd-round picks that Brisbane has.

Possible trades for Sheldrick: 32 and 50 (476 points) or pick 19 (796 points). Pick 19 is the first pick on the second night of the draft so attracts a trade premium above its points value. Therefore, West Coast would be reluctant to trade pick 19. Pick 14 (1024 points) would be more likely to be traded by West Coast, but may require value going back, possibly a future second-round pick.

I can think of 3 straight off, Paton, Hamling, Ladhams, Leidler, Kirk, Buller, Lloyd, Fox, Mitchell, plus others are all in the last year of their contracts. List spots will not be an issue. I am not saying all will be delisted but some will.