Match thread: Swans v Lions.

[SwanSand]

I think it is a good sign that we have a lot of youngsters in our team and we have lost to only Brisbane and Hawks. Both those teams are playing a brand of footy that will get them to the top 4. The question is are we playing any differently than last year. I haven’t noticed any major changes in the style of play to think that our result will be any different.

[lwjoyner]

Not sure about decision on mcinerney, but at least it will g ve him 3 weeks to learn to kick with punch , and use it with his pace to benefit the team. his kicking is shocking, just taps the ball.

[KSAS]

Not alot in that bump, last minute stuff

Hard to fathom same MRO outcome as Archer at North, bloke ran in from 30m away vs JMAC both upright and on the spot off a fumble

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Concur JMac deserves a suspension for that semi bump, but it's not deserving of 3 weeks. Especially when compared with Archer's. I will be surprised if the club doesn't challenge to get his sentence reduced.

David King thinks there's no in between. 3 weeks or he gets off.

[imuninformedtwo]

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Concur JMac deserves a suspension for that semi bump, but it's not deserving of 3 weeks. Especially when compared with Archer's. I will be surprised if the club doesn't challenge to get his sentence reduced.

David King thinks there's no in between. 3 weeks or he gets off.

David King is correct. Because the system operates on the tick a box approach, there's no discretion on the number of weeks.

[dejavoodoo44]

David King is correct. Because the system operates on the tick a box approach, there's no discretion on the number of weeks.

Perhaps the most irritating thing, is that for that sort of action, there's usually not a free kick paid. I don't think a free was paid against McInerney? It's only when there's an accidental head clash or the shoulder slips up, that it becomes reportable; especially when the player picks up a concussion. That sort of bump is usually only penalised onfield when it's late, and almost always as a down field free, rather than a report; even if there's possibly a bit more malice clattering into an opponent late, than bumping them away from a contested ball.

So, it's a touch infuriating, when a player gets weeks, for an incident that the umpires don't consider to be worthy of a free.

[ISIBIDBI]

I think it is a good sign that we have a lot of youngsters in our team and we have lost to only Brisbane and Hawks. Both those teams are playing a brand of footy that will get them to the top 4. The question is are we playing any differently than last year. I haven’t noticed any major changes in the style of play to think that our result will be any different.

I can see two main differences in our game style at the moment, one positive and one negative. I think the positive is that we seem to be applying a lot more pressure in our F50, last season there were so many occasions where teams were able to waltz out of their D50 against us because we left opposition defenders in space, I think one major factor behind this is moving from 3 talls in the forward line to 2, but notwithstanding that I have noticed an increased intensity in our F50 pressure and our manning up of the oppositions defenders when they have possession.

The negative is our entries inside 50, we seem to be bombing it in far more often than we were last season, where we would cut teams to shreds with our precise kicking and lower the eyes to find a player in space. Obviously not having Errol is a huge detractor from our ability to pick out targets inside 50, but I still think we are just bombing it in and hoping far too often at the moment.

Maybe Cox is of the view that the combination of these factors is a net benefit, i.e. bombing it deeper with higher F50 pressure and less easy rebounds will lead to more stoppages closer to goal and more repeat entries? But is does seem like a noticeable change to me so far.

[dejavoodoo44]

Coaches votes for the game.

9 Josh Dunkley (BL)
8 Zac Bailey (BL)
4 James Jordon (SYD)
4 Darcy Wilmot (BL)
3 Jarrod Berry (BL)
2 Dayne Zorko (BL)

Seems a bit harsh to total only four votes after a four point loss. I wonder how different the votes would have been, if the late kick by Campbell had of caught a gust of wind and went through for a goal?

[dejavoodoo44]

I can see two main differences in our game style at the moment, one positive and one negative. I think the positive is that we seem to be applying a lot more pressure in our F50, last season there were so many occasions where teams were able to waltz out of their D50 against us because we left opposition defenders in space, I think one major factor behind this is moving from 3 talls in the forward line to 2, but notwithstanding that I have noticed an increased intensity in our F50 pressure and our manning up of the oppositions defenders when they have possession.

The negative is our entries inside 50, we seem to be bombing it in far more often than we were last season, where we would cut teams to shreds with our precise kicking and lower the eyes to find a player in space. Obviously not having Errol is a huge detractor from our ability to pick out targets inside 50, but I still think we are just bombing it in and hoping far too often at the moment.

Maybe Cox is of the view that the combination of these factors is a net benefit, i.e. bombing it deeper with higher F50 pressure and less easy rebounds will lead to more stoppages closer to goal and more repeat entries? But is does seem like a noticeable change to me so far.

Yes, at one point in the game, I was contemplating how different it must be for our forwards, between when they see Errol get the ball in midfield and when Chad gets it. In the hands of Errol, I suspect it's more like, "lead now and there's a good chance it'll be dropped on my chest". Whereas with Chad, it'd probably be, "it's going over my head, why bother".

[UUaswan]

Yes, at one point in the game, I was contemplating how different it must be for our forwards, between when they see Errol get the ball in midfield and when Chad gets it. In the hands of Errol, I suspect it's more like, "lead now and there's a good chance it'll be dropped on my chest". Whereas with Chad, it'd probably be, "it's going over my head, why bother".

Chad typically goes long and deep inside 50

The fact Amartey is cooked isn't his fault.

When he has Rowy and JJ doing defensive roles and Him and Heeney get tagged by 5 players, its no wonder he only has eyes for the goals when he gets some space

[dejavoodoo44]

Chad typically goes long and deep inside 50

The fact Amartey is cooked isn't his fault.

When he has Rowy and JJ doing defensive roles and Him and Heeney get tagged by 5 players, its no wonder he only has eyes for the goals when he gets some space

I suspect that most of time, what Amartey, Hayward, Papley, etc are doing, is hardly noticed by Chad. Fun to watch when the ball goes through from about 50. Not so much fun to watch, when the ball sails out of bounds and there's a free forward about twenty metres out, with their arms outstretched pleading for the ball.

[UUaswan]

I suspect that most of time, what Amartey, Hayward, Papley, etc are doing, is hardly noticed by Chad. Fun to watch when the ball goes through from about 50. Not so much fun to watch, when the ball sails out of bounds and there's a free forward about twenty metres out, with their arms outstretched pleading for the ball.

He is the most sought after player in the comp because he breaks lines and at the SCG that means shots on goals

You get the odd spray and he gets tackled a bit, but that all happened last year too and no one minded

His job is to attack, and the results speak for themselves

I wish Campbell would have a shot everytime he is withing range, he is more than capable.

[dejavoodoo44]

He is the most sought after player in the comp because he breaks lines and at the SCG that means shots on goals

You get the odd spray and he gets tackled a bit, but that all happened last year too and no one minded

His job is to attack, and the results speak for themselves

I wish Campbell would have a shot everytime he is withing range, he is more than capable.

Which goes back to my original conversational point, that there's usually not much reason for a forward to lead when he gets the ball.

[UUaswan]

Which goes back to my original conversational point, that there's usually not much reason for a forward to lead when he gets the ball.

Agree

With JJ and Rowy playing defensive, Heeney getting mauled and Grundy on his knees somewhere on the field, we need Ollie Jmac and Lloyd to kick more then 20m to give our fwds half a chance. Give Paps some mid time as well.

Blakey and Rampe provided deep fast entries, dare I say, so did Wicks, Bice looks like he can do the same.

[Kafka's Ghost]

Chad typically goes long and deep inside 50

The fact Amartey is cooked isn't his fault.

When he has Rowy and JJ doing defensive roles and Him and Heeney get tagged by 5 players, its no wonder he only has eyes for the goals when he gets some space

I can distinctly remember at least one occasion in the match when Chad burnt a teammate in 30m of space going for the all-or-nothing. Most of his attempts work out, but not all of them.

[liz]

I’ve seen Chad pass plenty of times to a player inside 50, sometimes when he could legitimately kick for goal himself. For example, watch McCArtin’s goal last week.

His decision making wasn’t great yesterday, though. I’ll concede that. There was one passage when he was almost dead in the middle of the ground and Hamling had run up and was in oodles of space to his left (but forward, not sideways). It would have been an easy kick to Hamling who could hqve collected it on the run and targeted a kick forward. Instead Warner hoofed it and it came off the side of his boot,

I think our ball movement - our greatest strength last year- has been lacking this year. I don’t know how much is rust, how much is personnel (esp Errol) or whether it’s deliberate. Yesterday the ball handling errors added to those woes.

We’re probably not far off recapturing it. Fingers crossed.