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  • elroy67
    Parking Cars
    • Mar 2005
    • 419

    #61
    I'm a little disturbed by this thread.

    Ben Matthews has been and continues to be an excellent servant of the club. It was not that many years ago that he would have been consistently among our highest possession winner. This talk of trading him is nothing short of ridiculous

    The idea of loyalty between player and club is, in my opinion, one of the main reasons that families follow footy clubs for generations. It sets footy apart from all other codes in that respect, most notably rugby league and the world game. It even encourages clubs to retain thier champions through specific salary cap rules.

    Ben Matthews at worst would be an excellent mentor for the kids in the reserves, even though I feel his experience certainly has a place in the seniors should his form warrant it.
    We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.

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    • Legs Akimbo
      Grand Poobah
      • Apr 2005
      • 2809

      #62
      Originally posted by elroy67
      I'm a little disturbed by this thread.

      Ben Matthews has been and continues to be an excellent servant of the club. It was not that many years ago that he would have been consistently among our highest possession winner. This talk of trading him is nothing short of ridiculous

      The idea of loyalty between player and club is, in my opinion, one of the main reasons that families follow footy clubs for generations. It sets footy apart from all other codes in that respect, most notably rugby league and the world game. It even encourages clubs to retain thier champions through specific salary cap rules.

      Ben Matthews at worst would be an excellent mentor for the kids in the reserves, even though I feel his experience certainly has a place in the seniors should his form warrant it.
      Leroy76, your last five words are the most telling.
      He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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      • goswannie14
        Leadership Group
        • Sep 2005
        • 11166

        #63
        Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
        Leroy76, your last five words are the most telling.
        I thought axactly the same thing LA.
        Does God believe in Atheists?

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        • elroy67
          Parking Cars
          • Mar 2005
          • 419

          #64
          Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
          Leroy76, your last five words are the most telling.
          AL,

          I am the first to agree that we should only pick players on form, but that is a different matter entirely to the general tone of this thread.
          We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.

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          • wheels27
            On the Rookie List
            • Mar 2005
            • 397

            #65
            I love to bag Mathews (and I do), but in reality, as mentioned here, loyalty to the core playing group has been the key to our success.

            Obviously Ben is not as skilled as most others in the team, but he obviously must make up for that in usefulness to the attitude of the team, maybe even because of that. He would be one player who has to be at his absolute best every week, or he gets found out, this would set a pretty good example for younger guys I would have thought....

            Probably similar to what Kel did during his captaincy, started out as one of the least skilled at the club but hard work got him a brownlow, just as hard work has got Mathews a premiership.

            He will never be a champion, but is a swan through and through, so I guess that puts me in the 'against trading him' category......








            plus I need someone to yell at every week
            I hear not what you say, for the thunder of who you are.

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            • RogueSwan
              McVeigh for Brownlow
              • Apr 2003
              • 4602

              #66
              Originally posted by wheels27
              Obviously Ben is not as skilled as most others in the team, but he obviously must make up for that in usefulness to the attitude of the team, maybe even because of that. He would be one player who has to be at his absolute best every week, or he gets found out, this would set a pretty good example for younger guys I would have thought....
              That is a very good point. If that is the way it is, let him play (once his hammy is okay).
              "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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              • Ruckman
                Ego alta, ergo ictus
                • Nov 2003
                • 3990

                #67
                We could definitely have used Ben Matthews against Robbins or Johnson this week!

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                • NMWBloods
                  Taking Refuge!!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15819

                  #68
                  Both would have beaten Mathews as they would outmark him.
                  Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                  "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                  • Sanecow
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 6917

                    #69
                    Originally posted by NMWBloods
                    Both would have beaten Mathews
                    Of course they would, Bloods. Mathews plays for the Swans.

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                    • NMWBloods
                      Taking Refuge!!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15819

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Sanecow
                      Of course they would, Bloods. Mathews plays for the Swans.
                      Mathews is hardly renowned for his prowess in the air.
                      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                      • liz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16778

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Ruckman
                        We could definitely have used Ben Matthews against Robbins or Johnson this week!
                        Nah - he doesn't have the pace to go with either of them.

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                        • Ruckman
                          Ego alta, ergo ictus
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 3990

                          #72
                          Originally posted by liz
                          Nah - he doesn't have the pace to go with either of them.
                          Originally posted by NMWBloods
                          Mathews is hardly renowned for his prowess in the air.
                          Both fair criticisms (although he's certainly better than Crouch above his head) his limitations are noted, regardless of them he has been an excellent "Plan B" for the Swans ~ he has shown the ability to move onto and shut down an opponent that was firing.

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                          • NMWBloods
                            Taking Refuge!!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15819

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Ruckman
                            he has been an excellent "Plan B" for the Swans ~ he has shown the ability to move onto and shut down an opponent that was firing.
                            Yes, I think he's generally done a fine job at negating ground players. However, I think we need more.
                            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                            • Go Swannies
                              Veterans List
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 5697

                              #74
                              Over at the Swans website you'll find this:

                              "Meanwhile, Ben Mathews is due to return from a hamstring injury for Saturday night's game with Hawthorn at the MCG and the dilemma will be who to drop.

                              Roos joked that Mathews was hovering around the recovery session at North Bondi on Sunday morning so 'I think he is pretty keen'.

                              "Benny is a quality player and he has been in our top five or six in the best and fairest for the last 7-8 years so he is clearly one of our better players and we will have to find a spot for him if he is fit," he added.

                              "We have to see how Craig Bolton (hamstring) and Luke Ablett (bruised knee) pull up. I think they are both going to be ok but it is a long week and you have to get through the week.

                              "But certainly Benny is an important player for us and we will have to find a spot for him and if everyone is fit then it is going to be somebody unlucky to miss out.

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                              • Ryan Bomford
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 652

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                                he has shown the ability to move onto and shut down an opponent that was firing.
                                I like that: Benny - The Cooler'

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