Match thread: Swans v Lions.

[dejavoodoo44]

To look on the bright side, if we get up from here it will be a famous victory.

[crackedactor 01]

This is disgusting effort. I think I am watching men playing little boys who can be easily brushed aside. Thank God for Warner. I believe this will be Ladhams last game in the AFL.

[111431]

Disgraceful performance aside

How can you kick around the corner after the siren ?

When you don’t have the ball in your forward half you can’t complain. This is a very dark night

[crackedactor 01]

Disgraceful performance aside

How can you kick around the corner after the siren ?

I would also know how that happens?

[imuninformedtwo]

Not the reason we’re losing as there are plenty but boy we miss McInerney’s running power tonight.

[UUaswan]

Think a fair chunk tonight has been tactical. But my god our bottom handful of players are barely performing tonight at a level you'd be happy at in the VFL, let alone away to last season's premiers.

Who would you class as bottom ?

Cleary is bottom and may as well wear ice skates
Ladhams has played 1 snr game in nearly 12 months

The rest are capable but way off

[mcs]

Who would you class as bottom ?

Cleary is bottom and may as well wear ice skates
Ladhams has played 1 snr game in nearly 12 months

The rest are capable but way off

Never said they weren't capable. I said their performance (i.e. tonight) has been awful.

At least we are playing the game out well so far this quarter.

[Daisi]

Think a fair chunk tonight has been tactical. But my god our bottom handful of players are barely performing tonight at a level you'd be happy at in the VFL, let alone away to last season's premiers.

So coaching is part of the problem? It was clear in the weeks before the bye that teams had 'figured out' our 'gameplan'. So the coaches, and we have a lot of experienced ones, should have realised this and conjured up a plan B. Or at least I think so...Or is it that the players can't play to the plan? Yes the bottom handful are not performing tonight, but neither are the top handful. Are we just a team that depends too much on Heeney? He is our only real star player.. I think Grundy is carrying an injury or is exhausted. He and Heeney carried the team over those last few close victories. Can we just not do anything when those two are being held?

[UUaswan]

All our defenders jump for the ball and none of our fwds jump for the ball

Really frustrating to watch

[UUaswan]

Lloyd and Papley are the only small fwds that know how to get open

[UUaswan]

Blakey can kick it 60m, how is that fwd handball to a guy with 2 ppl on him the option when he can put it 35m out and give a fwd a chance

[mcs]

So coaching is part of the problem? It was clear in the weeks before the bye that teams had 'figured out' our 'gameplan'. So the coaches, and we have a lot of experienced ones, should have realised this and conjured up a plan B. Or at least I think so...Or is it that the players can't play to the plan? Yes the bottom handful are not performing tonight, but neither are the top handful. Are we just a team that depends too much on Heeney? He is our only real star player.. I think Grundy is carrying an injury or is exhausted. He and Heeney carried the team over those last few close victories. Can we just not do anything when those two are being held?

I actually think our top liners have been okay. Chad has played well, Heeney has battled hard (been held excessively a lot tonight), Curnow has been by far our best forward, Gulden been okay for first game back.

its the bottom end where the problem is.

I'm not so sold the gameplan is as big an issue as some make out. But for it to work we need our bottom handful playing reasonable well. Not being anonymous or downright awful. Amartey may as well not be out there, Ladhams has reverted to his worst tonight (though he hasn't played much at AFL level this year), Cleary tries hard but he is clumsy, Bice has had a nightmare.

[Daisi]

I actually think our top liners have been okay. Chad has played well, Heeney has battled hard (been held excessively a lot tonight), Curnow has been by far our best forward, Gulden been okay for first game back.

its the bottom end where the problem is.

I'm not so sold the gameplan is as big an issue as some make out. But for it to work we need our bottom handful playing reasonable well. Not being anonymous or downright awful. Amartey may as well not be out there, Ladhams has reverted to his worst tonight (though he hasn't played much at AFL level this year), Cleary tries hard but he is clumsy, Bice has had a nightmare.

That's interesting. I agree about Chad, Heeney and Errol. I think Curnow has played consistently well all season actually. He has been given a role and is performing it. I'm not so sure about the game plan, but I can keep an open mind. So how do we ensure that the 'bottom' handful play to the level they have to week in, week out? Do we rotate them? Or just hope that they can perform under pressure? Or what?

[UUaswan]

Who is the dumb one ? Brody or Ladhamss ?

[mcs]

That's interesting. I agree about Chad, Heeney and Errol. I think Curnow has played consistently well all season actually. He has been given a role and is performing it. I'm not so sure about the game plan, but I can keep an open mind. So how do we ensure that the 'bottom' handful play to the level they have to week in, week out? Do we rotate them? Or just hope that they can perform under pressure? Or what?

Getting blokes back will help. But there are a few that sadly more often than not go to absolute bathwater when the pressure gets going. Its not something you can solve quickly or easily unless you have outrageous depth like Brisbane do. However, we will be helped if we can get some of our missing troops back into the team that naturally will shift out some of those players as they cascade down.

Fair dinkum Grundy. How hard is it to stay on your @@@@ing side of the line. 4 times tonight!