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  • CureTheSane
    Carpe Noctem
    • Jan 2003
    • 5032

    #16
    Here is my definitions of Deliberate out of bounds.

    Trying to rush a point and missing is not deliberate.
    Sure, they may have been going for the line, but to what advantage?
    A ball in right next to the goal square?
    Not likely.

    If a player kicks the ball down the line as Ablett did, and he is under pressure to get rid of the ball, then this is also not deliberate..

    I could go on and on, but in principle I agree with the rule, but it needs to have it's 'distance constraints' removed, and allow for the umpires to totally make the call as to what the players intention was.
    If they disguise it well enough, then good on 'em.

    When you handball the ball out whilst being slung in a 360 by a player is NOT deliberate.
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    • Mike_B
      Peyow Peyow
      • Jan 2003
      • 6267

      #17
      Originally posted by CureTheSane
      When you handball the ball out whilst being slung in a 360 by a player is NOT deliberate.
      Yep. As the commentators said yesterday, is the expectation now that you just give the ball directly to the opposition???

      I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

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      • wheels27
        On the Rookie List
        • Mar 2005
        • 397

        #18
        Originally posted by CureTheSane
        When you handball the ball out whilst being slung in a 360 by a player is NOT deliberate.
        Too true, what are you supposed to do, handball and it goes out- Free, or don't handball and get pinged HTB - Free.
        Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

        Our game needs to stop penalising the players trying to get the ball and hence make the play.
        I hear not what you say, for the thunder of who you are.

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        • CureTheSane
          Carpe Noctem
          • Jan 2003
          • 5032

          #19
          I can see how the umps would sometimes get decisions wrong, but this one seemed obvious to me.
          I cannot see how they saw that as intentional.
          Obviously the AFL had put the hard word on the umps in the Deliberate Out Of Bouns area before the game.
          The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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          • floppinab
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2003
            • 1681

            #20
            That lot had me apoplectic in the 3rd quarter. With Crouchy's HTB was another one had us in a run of 4 odd frees early in the 3rd, (not to mention Kennelly's run too far, a classic case of perception of the player having an impact in the decision) all of which highly dubious and were the difference in the free kick count in the end.

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            • RogueSwan
              McVeigh for Brownlow
              • Apr 2003
              • 4602

              #21
              Originally posted by floppinab
              (not to mention Kennelly's run too far, a classic case of perception of the player having an impact in the decision)
              I thought that was Fearless?
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              • goswannie14
                Leadership Group
                • Sep 2005
                • 11166

                #22
                Originally posted by RogueSwan
                I thought that was Fearless?
                Kennelly's was the second one where he ran about 14 metres, then stopped, went to take off again and stopped, repeated that stop start, so he hadn't gone any further than 14 metres, and was pinged for running too far.
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                • SMFC
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 104

                  #23
                  The decisions were bewildering in the South v North match yesterday. They have so many conflicting tests to apply to both holding the ball and deliberate out-of-bounds that any situation gives a completely different answer.


                  Go South!
                  Go Bloods!

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                  • floppinab
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 1681

                    #24
                    Originally posted by RogueSwan
                    I thought that was Fearless?
                    Yes he got done as well but that was definately too far, (was about 18 steps I think).

                    Kennelly's was the second one where he ran about 14 metres
                    He only ran 10 odd steps after the bounce before the two little proppy ones. 11, 12 metres at the most.

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                    • Ryan Bomford
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 652

                      #25
                      I'm curious - so what's the rule for running too far: number of steps?, distance ran?, or both?

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                      • Big Al
                        Veterans List
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 7007

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Ryan Bomford
                        I'm curious - so what's the rule for running too far: number of steps?, distance ran?, or both?
                        I've always been told that its distance. If you go ten metres forward and then 10 metres back then its too far and a free kick.
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                        • goswannie14
                          Leadership Group
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 11166

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Ryan Bomford
                          I'm curious - so what's the rule for running too far: number of steps?, distance ran?, or both?
                          Not sure of the exact wording, but you cannot run more than 15 metres without bouncing the ball. It used to be 10 metres, that would put the pressure on again these days.
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                          • cruiser
                            What the frack!
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 6114

                            #28
                            Originally posted by SMFC
                            [B]The decisions were bewildering in the South v North match yesterday. [B]
                            SANFL?
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                            • swantastic
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 7275

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Ryan Bomford
                              I'm curious - so what's the rule for running too far: number of steps?, distance ran?, or both?
                              depends which @@@@ umpire calls it."just here to help"
                              Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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                              • swantastic
                                Veterans List
                                • Jan 2006
                                • 7275

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Mike_B
                                Yep. As the commentators said yesterday, is the expectation now that you just give the ball directly to the opposition???
                                see benny is a champion,he gives it to the opposition all the time."just here to help"
                                Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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